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the secret to explore the connecting

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group of secret society outlaws we're

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creating a tightly controlled rural

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society with damage bosses in your eye

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as slaves to their system popularly

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known as the newer research indicates

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that most of the unexplained craft we

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see in our skies come from somewhere on

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or inside our planet

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despite the research of the homework

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each other a nyan theories in the

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nineteen eighties nineties which in turn

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we seek are the control over the number

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of other latest groups and secret

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societies that we call collectively the

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control birds you need a quick look at

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recent world events to convince anyone

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that the controllers plan is working

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very well use these thank you explore on

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this radio show join us as we work

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greetings and welcome to another episode

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of unraveling the secrets at the new

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time of eleven o'clock Eastern

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eight o'clock Pacific and this is

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Timothy green Beckley mr. UFO you

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probably recognize my voice by now and

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I'm on the Manhattan side of the Hudson

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River and across the way in Jersey City

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is Carla Anderson representing the

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cutting edge of the paranormal hi

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everyone Hey Hey

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you know the the winter the winter may

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be breaking now it looks like we may

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only have one or two days of this

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terrible harsh cold and then we can

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imagine what it's like down in Miami

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where you can find angel Espino aka the

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jackal who is our producer and custodian

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of the Airways with PSN radio how are

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you tonight and yeah trying to keep nice

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and chilly cuz it's warm outside got the

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AC cranked in had 65 really have the air

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conditioner on yeah at 65 maybe it's

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it's warm out it was rainy and warm and

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muggy yeah nothing like a good shower in

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Miami in the summertime I felt it today

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let me tell you it was nice and warm and

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it just it would poured like 40 days and

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40 nights you wouldn't believe how much

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rain dropped on me today is incredible I

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I went once went down to Miami with

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Carla and it rained for three days solid

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and I said under the back of the the

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balcony another balcony the the awning

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of the hotel in the rain you know I

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could hear it just pattering away above

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me and finally somebody from the hotel

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came out and must have thought I was

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chilly or maybe I was being a little too

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risque in my speedos because he threw a

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blanket on me that's possible that's

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possible I'm sure this man has a lot of

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stories like I couldn't get them back on

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and I wound up in the lobby with him

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around my ankles I don't remember that's

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well there'll be many more exciting days

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to come and I think tonight we really

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have an exciting program I guess most of

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the listeners know that I've been

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intrigued by the stories of the men in

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black now the men in black are these

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notoriously sinister looking gentlemen

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who go around silencing UFO witnesses

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threatening of them if they talk about

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what has happened to them

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there was a book written back when I was

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in the fourth grade actually by a grey

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Barker it was called they knew too much

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about flying saucers and it discussed

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the silencing of one Albert K bender who

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ran the flying International Flying

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Saucer Bureau out of his home in

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Connecticut and apparently he had come

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one day too close to the secret to the

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flying saucer and these men appeared at

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his door dressed in black suits black

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oh we know what two men and black look

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like black glasses black hats and said

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mr. bender you know something will

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happen to you or will happen to your

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family if you reveal the secret to the

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public and so he shut down his

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organization and returned I guess the

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subscription fees that he had gotten

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from people all over the world who would

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subscribed to his publication called

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spaced view and that was kind of the

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beginning of the men in black phenomena

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although it does go back in history in

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fact I've written two books on the

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subject one is the UFO silencers and the

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other one is the curse of the men in

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black and you can find them on Amazon of

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course but tonight we've got a host show

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devoted to the subject we're going to

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have on one of my favorite people

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actually in the whole in the whole field

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is Johnny sands who's a country-western

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singer he worked with Elvis he performed

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at the Grand Old Opry he's performed

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with artists like Charlie Daniels Merle

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Haggard he's just an all-around guy and

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he has a really fascinating story to

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tell about his encounter with the men in

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black if

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he had an episode of meeting up with two

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also terrestrials - aliens -

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extraterrestrials whatever you want to

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call him on his way to Las Vegas one the

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evening and and these the ship was in

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front of him and these creatures came

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out and after that his life was turned

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upside down then we're going to have

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we're going to have Johnny tell his

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story ahead first and then we're going

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to open it up to our other guests for

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the evening including Claudia Cunningham

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who I call the MIB lady she said some

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really investigated a lot of aspects of

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this she lives up near Albany in New

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York and one time her and I went to the

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cemetery where Charles fort is buried

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and there are all sorts of with

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mysterious things weird things going on

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in that cemetery including the

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appearance of black automobiles

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there is a couple who dress in pajamas

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are though like Ivan Beals on a cemetery

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oh yes but you have to hear the rest of

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the story I don't want it okay yes I did

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of course I did yes in fact well this

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goes back to the late 1960s I was

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working at that time with a fella by the

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name of Jim Mosley who just passed away

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oh yeah yeah um a year or so ago and he

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had a very large organization I mean he

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put outsourcing news which had a

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circulation of about 12,000 which was

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incredible for UFO publication and that

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day and age in fact it would be today

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since we don't really have a UFO

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publication but anyway he had a staff of

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people and the had a fella by the name

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of Jackie Robinson who lived over Carla

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and Jersey City probably not far from

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where you are now yes fine yeah and

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indeed yes and apparently Jack had

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investigated a case involving a group of

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teenage boys who said that they had a

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oh I know an object land in the park

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there and there were some humanoid

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creatures involved and they had called I

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believe the fellows name was George

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snipe who was a local investigator who

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got in touch with the Jack Robinson who

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passed the information on to Jim Mosely

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kind of a chain of of individuals there

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Chris Jim was the publisher so any of

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the material that he got he would you

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know report all the information in his

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magazine anyway while they were in and

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interviewing the teenage boys they

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claimed that they saw this mysterious

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black automobile like lingering half a

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block away and the window was kind of

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turned down maybe halfway and they could

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see somebody peering out and they

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thought well this kind of strange

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somebody is watching them but you know

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they didn't really think too much about

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it anyway directly thereafter Jack

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started reporting that his phone calls

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were being intercepted or somebody who

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he also said that his files were being

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ransacked and on the way to work he

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worked in the Manhattan in a bank I

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believe was a bank teller and he would

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take the PATH train over and when he

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would go to work in the morning his wife

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and when she would come back she claimed

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that she had actually seen this man in

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black dressed in black standing in the

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doorway right next door to where they

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live seemingly as if he was monitoring

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people coming in and out of the the

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building so now she called Jim and I

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about this Jim mostly I about this a

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couple of times and at first we didn't

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know well maybe they're trying to get

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our attention or Mary who kind of was a

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psychic and she had you know out-of-body

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travel and things like that so we

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you know trying to get our attention but

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so what yeah okay yeah so what Jim and I

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decided to do was we were going to go

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and kind of a stake out the neighborhood

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without letting Mary know so that if

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there was one of these individuals

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lurking around

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it couldn't be a setup in other words it

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would be you know the something he was

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really transpiring there so we got in

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the gym spar and went through the

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Lincoln Tunnel about eight o'clock in

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the morning and got to the address where

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Mary lived and sure enough there was a

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black automobile that was parked there

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and this individual almost exactly like

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she described standing in the doorway

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and and so Jim handed me his camera and

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I took a photograph for this individual

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standing there and I took a photograph

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of the car now in fact there's an

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episode of UFO Hunters that I'm on it's

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the fourth season it's the UFO silencers

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episode you could actually see a copy of

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the you know the photograph and can we

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discuss it a little bit more detail and

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anyway we decided we were going to go

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around the corner circle the block and

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come back and see if we couldn't

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initiate some sort of contact or

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communication with this individual well

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the streets are pretty crowded there at

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that time of day and people running out

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to get the you know groceries and little

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shops and so forth so it took us a while

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to circle the block but not that long

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maybe five or six minutes I would say

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when we got back to the property where

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Mary and Jack lived the car was gone and

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the individual that was standing there

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in the doorway was gone and they were

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never seen after that so I figured yeah

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yeah it's it's it's on the Internet all

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you have to do is Google my name in men

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in black photo and it'll it'll show up

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okay and anyway that's you know people

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say oh the the photo was posed I didn't

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pose it I never get up eight o'clock in

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the morning I wouldn't do it at 8:00 I'd

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only do it at 6:00 but anyway that's

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that's the story I don't know that's a

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it seems to be a legitimate case of

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ileum men in black and there were many

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more can you describe it see well you

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could look at the photograph I would

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just say very tall very slender

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dressed totally in black from head to

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toe the only thing that I find actually

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very unusual about him is the shoes that

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he or where he is wearing they look kind

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of pointed and weird as if it's

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something that a fairy would when it

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know like in the in the woods or

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something yeah very peculiar but anyway

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we're going to hear a lot more this

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evening about such episodes can't wait

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all right

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have you heard of the Slenderman

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phenomena oh yes

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uh-huh of course no I wonder if that's

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tied into the men in black phenomenon

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because er no no no there's an actual

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no it's not a game it's a mythology

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other it's like a creature that people

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see if it is tall and slender and

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there's some videos out of Russia

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recently they were posted on YouTube

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where it has this giant Slenderman like

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crawling through a building or crawling

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on the side of the building it's really

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creepy Carla you might have heard you

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might have heard of the incident where

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the two girls tried to murder their

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friend they took her into the woods

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because they said a slender man told

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them to do it right now

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in fact in fact the case has been on the

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like Nancy Grayson on the TV I think

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this week is part as part of the trial

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Oh

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oh it is yeah oh yeah I thought about a

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coincidence I don't even know that yes I

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believe so

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so maybe let us go to a break here if we

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can and then we'll pull up Johnny sands

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that works for me let's do that all

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right everybody we're gonna go to break

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and by the way open lines right guys sir

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all right if anybody wants to call in 7

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8 6 2 4 5 8 1 2 7 is the callin number

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tonight so do that we'll be right back

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take us out Tim we'll be back in a few

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minutes with Johnny sands in our

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alright here we are back on revealing of

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a sequence and we're really going to

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reveal some unraveling the secrets to

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unraveling the secret we're really going

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to unravel them tonight believe you me

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and reveal them it unraveled on the

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secret and we're gonna we're gonna be

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unravel before I feel unraveled now

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that's for sure

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anyway our guest is an old friend of

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mine

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we have been kicking around for a long

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long time since I first interviewed him

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oh I think it was for the the the Sun or

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the examiner or one of those tabloids I

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was I was a stringer back in the 70s for

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the Inquirer the globe and summer of the

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lesser publications I was the main man

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in the in the field as far as

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investigating UFOs and the paranormal

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went and so there was this case that had

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been reported to me in those days we had

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clipping services that we would

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subscribe to and they would send us

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clippings once a week of the important

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UFO events that were being printed

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around the country and in those days it

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was much easier to contact the UFO

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witness because your local paper would

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print details of the sighting a

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photograph of the witness gives their

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real name in most circumstances and you

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were able to contact and communicate

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with them unlike today on skype where

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there are you know five layers of

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identity piled on top of another and you

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never know if you're contacting the

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person who actually put up the UFO photo

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or somebody else that's you know

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elicited on youtube so it's quite a

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different ballgame and the reports were

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very exciting now there weren't too many

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reports of the men and black that made

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it into the newspaper but the ones that

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there were that there were which I had

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of course written of the UFO silence who

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spoke at that time not the the newer one

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I was still collecting information and

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data on the on the subject because it

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intrigued me very very much

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and somebody had passed along to me a

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copy of I think it was the Las Vegas Sun

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and there on the front page was a

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painting of a weird-looking alien being

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and it described an encounter of a

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gentleman by the name of Johnny sands

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who's our guest who is a an entertainer

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who while on his way to Las Vegas saw

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this landed UFO encountered it's two

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beings and then ended up having a an

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episode are actually several several

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episodes with the the men in black now

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Johnny we're going to give you the floor

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here in a few minutes I think though

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we're going to do about maybe a half an

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hour to tell your story and I think you

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know you can describe of course your

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initial experience but we do want to

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spend most of the time describing the

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the men in the men in black that you

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encountered and all the weird things

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that went on afterwards so why don't you

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tell it set the stage in force what was

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it a New Year's Eve or close to New

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Year's Eve and you were driving towards

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Las Vegas it was January the 29th 1976

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okay so why don't why don't you tell us

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exactly what it was that the transpire

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that evening what time it was what the

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yeah what happened tell us what happened

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well it was about 10 o'clock at night I

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was out on the Blue Diamond Highway just

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I don't think it's about 1820 miles and

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I had seen some object in the sky look

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like himself I don't know if I'm

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thousand feet up and it was look like

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object it was a sphere shaped it was a

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kind of like a donut in the middle and

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he was kinda orange looking with lights

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growing out and I begin to look at it

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but I thought it was some some kind of a

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blimp well I really didn't know what it

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was and so I was uh

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going on as eroded and things started

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messing up on the car the column with

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malfunction and I was trying to figure

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out what to do and I pulled off to the

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side of the road to see what's call was

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doing and the card is clear and I got

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out watching the back of the car

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I hope the gas tank because lead so I

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could shake the back into the car and

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see the iQue gasoline because I thought

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first the and was stoked or something

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and I was just out of gas

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yeah I came to the front of the car that

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time and when I did I raised Hillary I

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was taking me filter off of the car and

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trying to see what it was and I happened

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to look and the that craft was just

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above me glad to see it real fully and I

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didn't know what was going on with it I

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was inside nothing his lights flashing

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and I turned around and slammed alert if

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you get out in the car and just gently

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got froze I could move I wanted to move

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couldn't move and they didn't know what

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was wrong and and as I was looking in

430
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front of me directly I could see two

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figures coming directly at me where

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looked like it just they were real pale

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looking people and they were coming

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directly at me so they walked up to me

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and I could Luke I've been for it I was

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fruits and they begin to look at me I

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was looking memo will do and I could see

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they were by like this five foot a they

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had on black Silver's

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Johnny Lipton suit was on and why felt

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across the front I noticed that their

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faces were older looking faces two

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bodies look young and I was trying to

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figure out what just was first I was

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thinking you know maybe my mind's

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playing tricks but it in I couldn't

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really figure out what day it really was

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and they walked up and approached me in

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face to face and I tried to move again I

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couldn't move I could feel my body but I

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couldn't move my body and then they had

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a conversation they asked me where I was

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from where I was going

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they asked me several questions about

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what was Vegas full with Vegas about I

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was explaining it's a entertainment

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center where people do shows and magic

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and all kinds of things I was talking

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yeah yeah I was able to talk but when

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they talk to me they weren't I could see

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I didn't see the mouth of him all I

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could see was them I could hear the

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words it was kind of like it was a

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microphone but I couldn't tell where it

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was coming from those miles with busy

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today was human know there well I mean

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yes in so many features but they were

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they had no higher they will say they

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were would you say they were definitely

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humanoid though oh yes yes yes they had

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around they had no eyebrows they had

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real pale looking skin like they were

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years and years old and they look like

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fish gills down on the lower part

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of their chin on the elbow sides and

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they had a real wide nose and their eyes

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were dark but it was like why in the

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middle of the center of the pupil of

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that we scared oh well yes I was I

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didn't know I thought it was a bumpy

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thing I was thinking everything yet you

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know is the possibility it being fakers

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yeah yeah I think so but yes I was

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afraid in and at the time I was trying

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to avoid answered questions and they

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kept insisting that I answer and I tried

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to answer the questions and before they

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left me they they told me that it would

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see me again

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and when they turned to leave they they

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went back out maybe I don't know I'm

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doing a feet away from me and it was

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like a flashlight and I didn't see him

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anymore and I commit I realized the burn

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and I slammed it on the car what I

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didn't think it what it was gone Frank

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and I jumped in the car and I left the

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motor and he cranked writer and I could

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also Vegas versa

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still thinking you know I didn't know in

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the member pesche there you know as an

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entertainer I've been in the music

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business performed on the Grand Ole Opry

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out I had been all over the world and

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and I was promoted and I said to myself

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a personal thank you damned nut and just

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don't really talk about it but I could

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get my mind off

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and I said well I gotta do something so

510
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I checked in the hospital and wanted to

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get checked out to make sure I wouldn't

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go in braces and the I called the police

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from the hospital when I told Hospital

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what my problem was

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and they came if they told me they

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didn't come I'm sorry

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they don't me that I need you to talk to

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me

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there was a blue project in the military

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for space and I need to talk to someone

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on the base about it they give me a

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number and so I called it and I told him

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or his Apple to pee and they said the

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book was closed it's time and they

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recommended me she called The Herald

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phenomenal Research Center in Tucson

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Arizona and though I did in mr. Rowan's

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aware to time he answered the phone I

529
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told him about it and he said what an

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experience he says we'd like to

531
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interview you and get some details and I

532
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:01,550
told him all about it not so well I'm in

533
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hospital and getting a check out so we

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00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:09,400
made arrangements to get together later

535
00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:13,550
the next day got with some people with

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00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:16,070
the arrow phenomenal research center

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00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:19,970
they see me in a polygraph expert which

538
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:23,930
was a RL Nolan and he worked for the FBI

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for my 30 years and no one asked me

540
00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:33,800
without being willing to submit to a

541
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:36,860
polygraph test I chose my wouldn't

542
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:41,140
matter so we took the polygraph test

543
00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:45,140
because I passed the test they asked me

544
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,380
that I see this happening going on in

545
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:50,720
the desert that I see two strange

546
00:27:57,490 --> 00:27:54,890
figures were they kind they tale looking

547
00:28:00,490 --> 00:27:57,500
nasik yes he said did they don't

548
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:00,500
you without using their mouth and I said

549
00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:05,360
yes and I answered all the questions and

550
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:10,420
at the end of the interview he says

551
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:13,670
gentleman's telling the truth what he

552
00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:16,370
says he's seen and them talking to him

553
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:20,740
without using their mouth all of that

554
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:22,550
and everything

555
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:25,490
Thank You firm Badal and they did a

556
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:30,320
force analysis on me put me through

557
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:34,870
quite an ordeal of asking questions and

558
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:39,970
I for operated with it before that no

559
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:43,460
well they asked another doctor real

560
00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:46,970
sprinkle to come in from the University

561
00:28:54,910 --> 00:28:52,340
while me to ask me about hypnosis and

562
00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:54,920
and I thought I'd be glad to do it

563
00:29:01,900 --> 00:28:57,260
I said I don't really believe in and I

564
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:01,910
said I was a little article in said you

565
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:04,610
could hypnotize me and he said that uh

566
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:09,020
he wanted in some other tests on me and

567
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:13,790
they don't care - boss analysis and some

568
00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:18,110
different things and he said the demands

569
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:20,990
tella drugs now what he seen he seen so

570
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,530
I felt better about myself I really

571
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:26,480
wasn't trying to stir up a racket what I

572
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:29,060
was really trying to do is correct -

573
00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:37,190
mind makes you and yeah yeah really

574
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:43,070
and of course listen people today we got

575
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:45,080
skeptics you got people that really

576
00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:48,170
don't believe in a lot of things like

577
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:51,020
this and then you got people that's

578
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:53,690
wondering if it's really true just a

579
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:55,250
bunch of people running around like to

580
00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:59,120
know more than somebody else does but I

581
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,940
can assure you it's not an experience

582
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:04,240
that you really want to brag about

583
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:06,950
because she came bragging everybody if

584
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,610
you don't know enough for [\h__\h] and to

585
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:11,440
give them

586
00:30:17,009 --> 00:30:14,110
information and to keep on talking about

587
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:17,019
it I was beginning to want to get away

588
00:30:22,619 --> 00:30:20,950
from the conversation altogether but the

589
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:22,629
phone kept ringing and people kept

590
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:25,659
talking and what did you see on Savannah

591
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:29,740
planet well this this is wouldn't be

592
00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:32,409
really experience of my lifetime again

593
00:30:43,619 --> 00:30:38,019
because it was uh it was about the 1st

594
00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:43,629
of February that they had asked me to

595
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:47,740
come to the SIA Rotel and to do an

596
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:52,529
interview with John Romero it was a UFO

597
00:31:01,759 --> 00:30:56,440
specialist investigator in Vegas and he

598
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:01,769
was also the general manager of the

599
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:06,730
Sarah hotel and I won over met with him

600
00:31:13,499 --> 00:31:10,570
and they wanted to interview me and then

601
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:13,509
they asked me if I might give them an

602
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:17,529
artist rendition of one of the creatures

603
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,330
that I tree and I agreed to do that so

604
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:26,159
we went down to a special section in the

605
00:31:35,249 --> 00:31:31,960
hotel led up had an artist there and so

606
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:35,259
the artist I begin to describe what I'd

607
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:38,860
seen the way I'd best a good and the

608
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:42,820
artist began to draw it and as he began

609
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:45,070
to draw it there was some people walked

610
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:49,919
up I had a pretty limited time he was a

611
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:52,299
former civil death here

612
00:31:58,019 --> 00:31:55,330
holy salsa pirate undercover

613
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:58,029
investigator and he worked with some of

614
00:32:04,259 --> 00:31:59,700
the major crimes in the state

615
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:04,269
Philadelphia he was living in Vegas at

616
00:32:11,009 --> 00:32:07,769
the time he was a aspiring part with a

617
00:32:16,919 --> 00:32:11,019
woman some of the boxes right there

618
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:16,929
Leon speaks and he said I'll go with you

619
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:20,110
and so it was good because John was a

620
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:24,390
big man is a weightlifter and

621
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,750
he really was into this cops I mean I

622
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:30,720
knew he would uh you know figure out

623
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:32,910
some with me to what to say of what to

624
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:36,500
do figure I would take was going out and

625
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:40,490
so he was there and as we were drawing

626
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:43,860
giving the artist instructions I was to

627
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,720
draw the picture some me and walked up

628
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:51,210
it was do me and they were dressed in

629
00:33:00,940 --> 00:32:55,130
black uh two suits they were Caucasian

630
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:00,950
looking sick back go black hair where

631
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:03,270
were you when you were doing the drawing

632
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:05,250
where we were an officer

633
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:09,780
I don't know they have a artist that's

634
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:15,470
featured down in the lobby of the hotel

635
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:20,480
okay lobby the Sahara okay yeah yeah and

636
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:26,610
so they walked over to us and a1 we're

637
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:30,600
listening in as we started the

638
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:33,510
conversation about you know what they

639
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:33,990
look like

640
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:38,610
and when I got them to the gills the

641
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,700
artist says she should skills about sit

642
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:43,980
well that's what they look like to me

643
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:46,980
and I said had a big wide nose about

644
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:50,400
describe them and it's a artists of why

645
00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:54,750
do you think they would have gills and I

646
00:34:03,320 --> 00:33:59,010
don't really understand oh and one of

647
00:34:08,419 --> 00:34:03,330
those being spoke up and said well if

648
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:08,429
they live down serious as serious as he

649
00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:12,510
didn't have life years away and they

650
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:16,919
would be able to uh said it's an

651
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:19,710
Aquarius type planet they would be able

652
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:24,300
to real-time a water and as I'm on the

653
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:29,030
way and so the artists are of awareness

654
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:35,700
so be nice about okay and so they said

655
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:38,250
talked on a mini to ideate

656
00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:42,409
the artist and one of them men in black

657
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:45,149
tapped me on the shoulder he said we got

658
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:46,860
together right now

659
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:50,820
but we see you getting sleepy and when

660
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:54,780
he said that the police also with me

661
00:35:00,200 --> 00:34:56,820
leave the garbage away to meet you

662
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:00,210
he said that's what they don't you did

663
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:02,850
thanks crap doctor yeah

664
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:06,870
so when they walked off there was a

665
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:11,960
security guard right to add a suit and

666
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:15,930
so john totes cutie said follow the

667
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,820
sullivan see the work and so they

668
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:24,000
started our Matt Stovall and when it got

669
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:25,980
out to know of the security guard looked

670
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:32,190
around and she was he and week went down

671
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:34,650
to it we need says they just like

672
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:35,550
disappeared

673
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:41,820
eye and that's it on the street there's

674
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,150
no cars and their dollars and so well we

675
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:51,060
didn't think much more about tests we

676
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:54,360
finished up the picture talked a little

677
00:36:01,220 --> 00:35:58,890
bit and I left and John he was really

678
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:01,230
suspicious because it was a car and he

679
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,110
says I don't know them fellas was but

680
00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:07,140
did it look exactly right and as an hour

681
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:12,630
inspected a visa and black shirt on and

682
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:15,330
a black jacket and a black everything no

683
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:23,490
they were dressed like team prepare

684
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:28,680
alone they were dressed in in solid

685
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:33,350
black from huge and head there's another

686
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:37,470
the all that goes one atom at you Dayton

687
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:42,780
and but the shirt I don't even remember

688
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:46,380
I think it was accounted there it was a

689
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:48,330
hall cover but a Caitlin I'm a pure

690
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:52,020
silver but

691
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,480
we uh we so when we let John says let's

692
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:59,880
just miss around you a little bit

693
00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:01,530
because I don't know where they went

694
00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:03,750
so he started pulling this police

695
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,600
officer stuff going in and out back

696
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:09,119
alleys and down streets because he knew

697
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,810
Vegas real well and he was cutting

698
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:14,820
through all these hours to go back to

699
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:18,810
the apartment complex and so when we

700
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:21,570
finally got told he done a good job of

701
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:24,180
camouflaging but when we got all of the

702
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:27,750
taller and his house just a long black

703
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:31,170
limousine car pulled up down it to room

704
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:35,310
right in the driveway and they rolled

705
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:37,730
the window down in the front seat and

706
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:41,130
anyone on the passenger side and a

707
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:44,610
wonder came down in the back seat and I

708
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:47,910
could see was somebody dressed in black

709
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:52,610
and they looked up at us and drove off

710
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:56,040
so we didn't know what we were doing but

711
00:38:01,340 --> 00:37:59,880
John was really just upset about it

712
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,350
because he said I don't know I'm hair

713
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:04,020
like that have found us when we did all

714
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,070
that it in her big sagging and I was

715
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:09,180
something's going on his hairs

716
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:13,740
well now nobody knew I was living in

717
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:17,609
charge and nobody knew anything about

718
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:21,440
his phone numbers he wasn't even listed

719
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:25,830
so the next morning the phone rings and

720
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:27,390
John looked at me weird

721
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:29,490
he said you give somebody my numbers and

722
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:32,010
not yet enough and he says well there's

723
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:34,850
somebody on the phone here

724
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:37,710
coloring itself or production company

725
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:41,580
and want to speak to you and I said well

726
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,640
let me speak John I'll see what you want

727
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:46,800
and they told me they would like to get

728
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:48,990
together with me just as soon as

729
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,740
possible and they would they were

730
00:38:58,580 --> 00:38:55,380
studying strange and unusual happenings

731
00:39:01,070 --> 00:38:58,590
and they'd like to help me investigate

732
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:01,080
it to find out what to check the world

733
00:39:06,019 --> 00:39:04,230
and that I said well I'm you know I

734
00:39:08,449 --> 00:39:06,029
really don't know a lot

735
00:39:12,409 --> 00:39:08,459
take it and so what we'd appreciate if

736
00:39:15,319 --> 00:39:12,419
you give them some time to get together

737
00:39:17,869 --> 00:39:15,329
and let's see what it's all about and

738
00:39:20,989 --> 00:39:17,879
see we can my figure is starting out

739
00:39:25,389 --> 00:39:20,999
with you I'm not so well okay I'll be

740
00:39:28,279 --> 00:39:25,399
glad to try so we should have time to me

741
00:39:37,749 --> 00:39:28,289
and they told me where to me the money

742
00:39:43,099 --> 00:39:40,609
complex where they would stay in and

743
00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:43,109
they was staying up on the second floor

744
00:39:51,609 --> 00:39:48,329
they gave me a room number so I went to

745
00:39:56,769 --> 00:39:51,619
the complex John went with me and I

746
00:39:59,629 --> 00:39:56,779
would rush when I'm not something go off

747
00:40:04,519 --> 00:39:59,639
the guy was guys with oaktree though he

748
00:40:12,009 --> 00:40:04,529
was up it was Caucasian day he's done

749
00:40:17,659 --> 00:40:12,019
and anybody means and I came in it was a

750
00:40:23,539 --> 00:40:17,669
real Richie like motel it was all places

751
00:40:27,019 --> 00:40:23,549
up you really shocked to something news

752
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:27,029
came like liberace somebody back and a

753
00:40:34,549 --> 00:40:30,539
lot of hanging things real fancy place

754
00:40:38,359 --> 00:40:34,559
and come in there was an old man

755
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:38,369
standing over to the corner of the room

756
00:40:49,339 --> 00:40:43,169
and he doesn't even speak he looked at

757
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:49,349
me and I come home and and they invited

758
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:53,809
sit down yes without the experience

759
00:41:01,549 --> 00:40:56,729
asked me exactly what happened and I

760
00:41:04,669 --> 00:41:01,559
explained it all to him and I told him I

761
00:41:07,729 --> 00:41:04,679
said you know I don't know I couldn't

762
00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:07,739
answer why world's only world for what

763
00:41:15,289 --> 00:41:12,389
happened to me and they they said we

764
00:41:17,149 --> 00:41:15,299
want to carry you out to the desert we

765
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:17,159
got several things we want to do before

766
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:19,770
we do that and

767
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:21,470
that said we need to meet several times

768
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:24,650
now like I said this was two days after

769
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:30,450
I had had the experience and I met these

770
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:37,470
two gentlemen for about five days in a

771
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:42,110
row of coming to their complex and

772
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:45,960
listening and and then listening to me

773
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:48,030
they Munster listen to me they wouldn't

774
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:51,690
talk a lot and I thought this a little

775
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,120
weird not told John that's a week like

776
00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:56,640
if I teach people and he says I don't

777
00:42:01,820 --> 00:41:58,470
know he said you know how movie people

778
00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:01,830
are they can be triggered and I said

779
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:04,620
well I don't know what they're doing

780
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:07,020
there what kind of families is but we're

781
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:08,730
trying to find out what they're doing

782
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:09,900
and see what they're trying to figure

783
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:16,200
out for me and so anyway they wanted to

784
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:18,060
set up a meeting to go out into the

785
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,550
desert where it actually took place and

786
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:23,210
I thought it might be great to do that

787
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:26,790
but first they wanted me they said we

788
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:29,820
understand you say you're an entertainer

789
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:35,460
I said yes and they said do you like

790
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:38,790
your music I said yes and they said we

791
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:42,720
want you to make a music about your

792
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,360
experience and so I said well if he

793
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:50,400
really it's something I wanted to say if

794
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:54,090
you want to be happy honestly there's

795
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,510
nothing to really I did am on top of the

796
00:43:01,700 --> 00:42:59,760
world with his [\h__\h] fellas I said

797
00:43:05,590 --> 00:43:01,710
it's a little fried you know people

798
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:05,600
think of judgment I'm all over the

799
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:10,470
newspapers Lee television and I would

800
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:12,510
not get for that purpose I really like

801
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:14,850
to get a witness conversation and they

802
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:16,230
said well we're going if you get it

803
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:21,420
cleared up so I said well how could this

804
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,310
happen and said we'd like TV show so I

805
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,680
wrote the song and an abrupt attack tool

806
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:32,160
and let's sit down and and rotor

807
00:43:36,499 --> 00:43:33,660
guitarra

808
00:43:38,299 --> 00:43:36,509
one over the words with it and they kept

809
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:38,309
changing the word some and they said

810
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:41,250
well why don't you say the object shaped

811
00:43:47,269 --> 00:43:45,390
like sphere and I says theater I don't

812
00:43:50,359 --> 00:43:47,279
even know what it means is it just put

813
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,369
toward that sphere and so I wrote it

814
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:53,160
down and we wrote it in there and laid

815
00:43:59,509 --> 00:43:56,250
out put it in my party back another day

816
00:44:03,700 --> 00:43:59,519
well we're getting close to 30 words

817
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:03,710
intense and they wanted to meet at the

818
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:05,940
Tropicana sub Club

819
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:11,670
that's a TEM into the bed it's going out

820
00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:16,470
toward the Blue Diamond highway and they

821
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,109
said we'll meet you there in the lobby

822
00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:22,200
and we'll go from there

823
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:25,589
out to the location and I said okay I'll

824
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,000
be glad to go with you and so John went

825
00:44:37,269 --> 00:44:31,920
with me again I said let's come on go

826
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,279
into the hotel adjusting gates and I

827
00:44:43,299 --> 00:44:39,839
need you silent cuz I don't know these

828
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:43,309
people and anyway we drove out to the

829
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:47,160
parking lot now the parking lot were

830
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:51,839
probably hold of three four

831
00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:56,730
I learned the cars just that's all side

832
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,549
parking lot and so we couldn't find a

833
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,160
parking place at the school we were

834
00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:04,140
looking and we drove down to the very

835
00:45:11,509 --> 00:45:07,470
end and got into the parking places we'd

836
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:11,519
have to walk probably a bar to the to

837
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:16,230
the casino and when we got bark into

838
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,630
place I said we're going to urge on

839
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:22,079
because uh when we get to time we get

840
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,339
there they're gonna be looking for us

841
00:45:27,799 --> 00:45:26,160
they don't think we didn't show up and I

842
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:27,809
didn't the moment get two words out of

843
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,660
my mouth and they pulled directly up in

844
00:45:37,789 --> 00:45:33,240
front of me in his black limousine

845
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:37,799
Cadillac and they stopped in front of my

846
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,630
car we got out and they today how you

847
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:45,440
doing that we said we're doing fine and

848
00:45:50,829 --> 00:45:47,450
this is

849
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:50,839
well we do and they had a glad today and

850
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:53,450
vote for them and it was like a

851
00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:56,210
champagne glass and I said here you go

852
00:46:02,500 --> 00:45:58,910
and and me going drinkin and John the

853
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,510
crank and says we're ready to go for us

854
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:04,880
as a home that word y'all found me nice

855
00:46:09,309 --> 00:46:07,130
parking lot they said oh we got wasted

856
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:09,319
time people will walk too and they last

857
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,490
a little bit and so me and John got in

858
00:46:19,329 --> 00:46:16,400
the backseat of the limousine and we

859
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,339
went out to the desert to the first

860
00:46:22,839 --> 00:46:21,500
sorry try to cut you off there's a car

861
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,849
coming in I don't know that it's one of

862
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:24,079
the one of the guests are that's going

863
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:26,450
to be on tonight caller you're on the

864
00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:34,940
air how are you I'm doing very well

865
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:37,579
alright we've just been hearing Johnny

866
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,359
sands tell his remarkable encounter with

867
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:43,520
the men in black ink yeah very very

868
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:47,270
riveting yes and so tortilla let's let

869
00:46:50,859 --> 00:46:48,530
him continue on for a few more minutes

870
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,869
and then we'll set the stage for your

871
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:53,240
involvement in the mystery of the men in

872
00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:55,010
black that sounds good

873
00:47:14,349 --> 00:46:58,790
so Johnny just continue on and so you

874
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:14,359
went off to the desert with them yeah me

875
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:23,780
honest with you businessman that's a

876
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:27,980
little weird and John didn't trust and

877
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:29,990
they're not interested in my chamber so

878
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:33,950
I poured mine half the back limousine in

879
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:38,450
school board and so when we got that I

880
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:41,780
told him I said right here they keep

881
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:45,440
going and I looked at John and John

882
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:48,230
shaking his head and they went on the

883
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:50,630
road making out all those two or three

884
00:48:01,740 --> 00:47:55,460
miles and it was a blue diamond highway

885
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:01,750
is a long stretch to parole

886
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:06,410
Vegas into lost legacy there wasn't a

887
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:08,750
lot of cars only tonight that iid

888
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:11,690
encounter in fact I didn't remember

889
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:14,870
seeing any cars until I said got back in

890
00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:20,090
my garden started anger and then I me of

891
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:24,500
us seen one car the whole time so we

892
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:26,780
were where I get little as desert here

893
00:48:31,870 --> 00:48:29,180
we are to these strange people we don't

894
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,880
really know about and they're dressed up

895
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:34,400
but there's no camera crew there's no

896
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:37,640
nothing that's going with us so we a

897
00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:40,880
little bit John's a little concern and

898
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:45,260
so am I so anyway but anyway they get

899
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:49,060
passion they went oh by where I was up

900
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:52,700
told me stop and they went up like I

901
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:54,740
said for a full mile and then they

902
00:49:00,780 --> 00:48:56,710
pulled off the road maybe you turn

903
00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:00,790
pulled off on the side of the road and

904
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:03,740
when they pulled off on the side yeah

905
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:08,630
a stopped car and all of a sudden lights

906
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:10,910
in it all across on the other side of

907
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:14,170
the road where we didn't even see nobody

908
00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:19,250
lights just kept coming home and so one

909
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:23,120
of them says happy fact just said year

910
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:27,170
and got out of the dog and he went over

911
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:30,170
to some people's gathering on the other

912
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:33,710
side to Road and it was one man that was

913
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:37,490
a gorgeous favorite me and I couldn't

914
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:40,670
you what'd he say but he's it was tore

915
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:43,460
his fingers so I tried to ease the

916
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:45,020
wooden tube and to see what they were

917
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:48,710
talking about and the city he knows too

918
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:52,370
much and there's too much going on and

919
00:49:58,900 --> 00:49:56,390
they were mad argumentative with pickles

920
00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:58,910
are all these people I know John I'm

921
00:50:03,490 --> 00:50:01,250
going out and see what the problem is I

922
00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:03,500
don't have to do this fear or whatever

923
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:06,920
they want to do so we're gonna end this

924
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:11,110
thing right now so I was going yet

925
00:50:17,529 --> 00:50:14,930
thanks decide in the backseat

926
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:17,539
and so I reached and grabbed to go out

927
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:21,859
pulled it to open it when I did there

928
00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:24,980
was something like have you ever seen

929
00:50:36,279 --> 00:50:30,380
the Addams Family on TV yeah it was it

930
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:36,289
was a loop first thing I called it with

931
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:40,130
the long hair yeah yeah doesn't it I see

932
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:45,230
it well if it was introduced it come up

933
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:49,250
to my door and I slammed the Noah back

934
00:50:54,339 --> 00:50:51,049
real quick that's a job to see that he

935
00:50:58,299 --> 00:50:54,349
said what the hell I don't

936
00:51:02,319 --> 00:50:58,309
that's it but I did not this houses get

937
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:02,329
out on your side and he says don't even

938
00:51:08,740 --> 00:51:05,510
open it oh boy exactly he said you got

939
00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:08,750
somebody looks like maybe the dress them

940
00:51:15,549 --> 00:51:11,059
so cocky so I don't know if it's part of

941
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:15,559
the theme what it is the whole thing the

942
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:27,609
well you know what they always say

943
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:30,230
Johnny what happens in Vegas stays in

944
00:51:39,789 --> 00:51:34,490
Vegas and I guess I guess these guys

945
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:39,799
were going to make sure that they need

946
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:46,640
legis no more so I tried to get out of

947
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:50,690
here no on the other side and it came up

948
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:53,480
to my door I know it would they did they

949
00:52:01,089 --> 00:51:56,089
did not good scene Oh face it just run

950
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:01,099
up and so John Smith told oh I said go

951
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:05,049
for it so I guess they did it God and

952
00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:10,940
finally they said let's go and they come

953
00:52:17,859 --> 00:52:14,390
back to the God and so they got in and

954
00:52:20,849 --> 00:52:17,869
when he got in they started Ryloth I

955
00:52:24,789 --> 00:52:20,859
said I told you it's the wrong location

956
00:52:27,789 --> 00:52:24,799
and they didn't speak and we grown past

957
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:27,799
the location straight back into Vegas

958
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:28,740
right

959
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:33,330
till parking lot they drove up to my car

960
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:36,510
and we got out and they said we're

961
00:52:45,339 --> 00:52:40,250
sitting in the morning and I said ok

962
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,349
hell that is the strangest story

963
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:47,520
I've heard I've heard some strange

964
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:51,510
stories and in my time but you know like

965
00:52:59,960 --> 00:52:53,609
you couldn't make something like that up

966
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,970
he got me on because of in part a big

967
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,240
part did you see them in the morning

968
00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:05,760
well that's what I'm saying John said we

969
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:07,950
go find that is a hell these people are

970
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,710
and what's great he said they're crazy

971
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:13,280
ways we don't see what it's all about so

972
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:17,420
we got up and went immediately to their

973
00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:21,000
apartment complex now we got there so

974
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:23,430
the second floor we went up and I'm

975
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:26,700
banging on the door banging a man about

976
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,570
his hands on the door and some guy in

977
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:32,220
the hallway said excuse me

978
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:35,940
you looking for somebody as a year this

979
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,000
dumb fellow were supposed to be nice

980
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:42,240
writer [\h__\h] and he says oh you got the

981
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:44,609
wrong apartment I said oh hell no I

982
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:47,310
don't and John said oh this is the right

983
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,910
one

984
00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:50,280
he said no you got the wrong apartment

985
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:53,030
he said there's nobody in that and

986
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:54,930
that's all right

987
00:54:01,240 --> 00:53:57,930
so I said John what's the deal boss

988
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:01,250
What's Wrong these people over here so I

989
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:04,650
got to arguing with the man about to

990
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:07,890
leave that he says you need to talk to

991
00:54:14,359 --> 00:54:12,270
the lady in charge of this place so they

992
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:14,369
got they took me down [\h__\h] lady I

993
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:16,950
said look I ain't got all day I said

994
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,210
I've been up here already over six times

995
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:22,980
I've been in your room I could tell you

996
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:25,710
all about it they live there and she

997
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:28,500
kept at me nobody's been in there for

998
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:29,430
six months

999
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:31,980
it gives owned by some people that's in

1000
00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:34,800
New York City she said but they're home

1001
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:38,369
and it's locked up and it don't even

1002
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,530
have furniture in it I see your ID I

1003
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:43,280
know all that John last

1004
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,530
so I said ma'am I could tell you all

1005
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:49,440
about the room until you they're in

1006
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:51,570
there they live that I was heating it

1007
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:54,660
yesterday they're in there right now and

1008
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,290
so she says well let's go so she went

1009
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:01,440
with us and she's telling me going up to

1010
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:02,310
Sergei

1011
00:55:06,980 --> 00:55:04,500
you just got just confused something

1012
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:06,990
maybe it was another apartment complex

1013
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:09,930
he went to John said look I was a police

1014
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:13,050
officer for 22 years in Philadelphia

1015
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:15,810
Pennsylvania you don't think I know what

1016
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:18,690
damn side of the street I'm home I mean

1017
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:22,170
he got mad he got real mad and I thought

1018
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:25,170
this runs around so anyway we get up the

1019
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:30,210
stairs and I said ma'am it's got the

1020
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,610
beautiful fireplace dinner and I said

1021
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:34,950
but they got a antique furniture

1022
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:38,010
I mean I said Liberace would be proud of

1023
00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:42,810
it so beautiful I see bulky I said it's

1024
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:46,350
beautifully open don't joke you know

1025
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:48,780
I looked in it would you damn furniture

1026
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,990
at all in the building in that room

1027
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:55,440
where but the woman looked at me says

1028
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:57,770
there's one things were a bit strange

1029
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:01,020
she said you needed that fireplace they

1030
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:03,170
sure enough the fireplace too that I

1031
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:06,270
described because it was so unusual the

1032
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:09,470
mirrors and all the fancy carvings uh

1033
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:13,290
you can never forget him he said you

1034
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:17,910
seem that my place is amazing I seen to

1035
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:20,550
me in here and I met with him on several

1036
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:23,970
occasions and so John said I'd buy this

1037
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:27,330
[\h__\h] it's some guy wanting practical

1038
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:31,410
joker type things and we don't find out

1039
00:56:34,510 --> 00:56:32,250
who he is

1040
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:34,520
so he started knocking on doors and

1041
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:37,590
asking them do you know the people next

1042
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:40,290
door oh no I don't know well he asked

1043
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:44,010
see anybody idea with a moving van last

1044
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:47,310
night around 10:30 11 o'clock

1045
00:56:54,350 --> 00:56:50,520
nobody could answer that question the

1046
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:54,360
house is pleased completely totally

1047
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:55,980
empty and

1048
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:00,890
suddenly gone so John he done a police

1049
00:57:08,359 --> 00:57:04,590
investigation of trying to locate caves

1050
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:08,369
down production in the Los Angeles

1051
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:11,640
we never picked and as they turn we

1052
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:14,310
never heard them over they done and they

1053
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:18,210
never anything from that they own ever

1054
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:23,190
took place here now I'm not saying that

1055
00:57:29,540 --> 00:57:26,460
the world can say I I didn't have a

1056
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,550
dirty experience because they can have

1057
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:32,460
an opinion but I had an officer of the

1058
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:36,630
law traveling to me I had not one

1059
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:40,609
encounter not doing cameras but probably

1060
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:44,280
he encounters with these gentlemen on

1061
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:48,150
different days over and over and over

1062
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:51,950
again and for them to totally disappear

1063
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:55,200
babies off of the face of the earth

1064
00:58:03,470 --> 00:57:59,130
not seen nobody can explain nobody

1065
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,480
remembers no nothing was the weirdest

1066
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:05,520
thing that's I love it to me in my

1067
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:06,780
entire life

1068
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:10,170
it was not a joke I didn't care nothing

1069
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:12,410
about the way it was working out I

1070
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:15,630
really wanted to get behind me and go

1071
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:18,900
away but when something that's strange

1072
00:58:24,590 --> 00:58:23,040
that weird takes place in your life it's

1073
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:24,600
just something that won't go away

1074
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:28,440
you know well that that's that's got to

1075
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:30,950
be like I say the strangest story and

1076
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:34,170
it's just almost it doesn't end I mean

1077
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:35,940
it's just like in incredible you know I

1078
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:39,270
can hear you talk about that many times

1079
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:41,250
and of course you were on the UFO

1080
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:44,790
Hunters with me and bill burns and we we

1081
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:47,220
discussed that at some some length and

1082
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:51,090
they show the painting of the this the

1083
00:58:55,099 --> 00:58:52,650
beings that you originally had

1084
00:58:57,380 --> 00:58:55,109
encountered now a Claudia I know you've

1085
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:57,390
been patiently waiting in the the wings

1086
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:01,440
there Claudia Cunningham lives up near

1087
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:04,260
Albany in New York and I called her the

1088
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,970
MIB lady now Claudia oh I guess several

1089
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:09,839
years ago five

1090
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:12,390
years ago maybe it is now rub me a

1091
00:59:14,749 --> 00:59:12,930
letter

1092
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,759
I mean people did correspond in those

1093
00:59:19,789 --> 00:59:16,440
days believe it or not wrote me a letter

1094
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:19,799
and told me about some of the things

1095
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,690
that did you use a thing you guys called

1096
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:25,200
paper yeah yeah well you know I still

1097
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:25,920
use paper

1098
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:31,140
quite a bit of it hey you know I

1099
00:59:36,469 --> 00:59:33,059
remember when this gal used to work for

1100
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:36,479
me here and this was before the you know

1101
00:59:39,529 --> 00:59:37,859
internet came along we're just in the

1102
00:59:41,989 --> 00:59:39,539
beginning of it and she says oh you know

1103
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:41,999
you gotta transfer all this stuff to you

1104
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:44,910
know the internet and put it on file and

1105
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:46,380
stuff and then you can get rid of a

1106
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:50,249
paper well now I have Internet files and

1107
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,890
I have three duplicates duplicates of

1108
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,960
everything and paper there's still more

1109
01:00:00,589 --> 00:59:57,599
paper a paper is that going away soon

1110
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,599
now books and magazines maybe but a

1111
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:03,599
paper is here I would say to it to stay

1112
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:06,450
for for quite a while anyway I have your

1113
01:00:13,219 --> 01:00:06,900
books

1114
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,229
are absolutely beautiful we have some of

1115
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,079
the most creative covers and content as

1116
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,960
well anyway Claudia how are you doing I

1117
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:20,460
haven't spoken to you in a while

1118
01:00:34,279 --> 01:00:24,329
oh I'm doing fine I'm up here it's nice

1119
01:00:36,650 --> 01:00:34,289
and warm well I know and we had might I

1120
01:00:39,049 --> 01:00:36,660
think we actually got down to like one

1121
01:00:42,769 --> 01:00:39,059
degree which I never remember that

1122
01:00:43,999 --> 01:00:42,779
happening that you know we had seven

1123
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:44,009
degrees the other night with the

1124
01:00:50,420 --> 01:00:47,130
windchill so well it's almost the norm

1125
01:00:53,059 --> 01:00:50,430
now what's frightening even even the

1126
01:00:55,779 --> 01:00:53,069
even the men in black probably are not

1127
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:55,789
out on a night like that nor the couple

1128
01:01:01,160 --> 01:00:58,380
or the couple that flies over the

1129
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,170
tombstones in the world cemetery or

1130
01:01:05,959 --> 01:01:04,079
maybe they are that way that would

1131
01:01:09,709 --> 01:01:05,969
certainly prove that they're paranormal

1132
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:09,719
in in nature but we should mention that

1133
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:13,200
the remains of charles fort are actually

1134
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:16,559
entombed or buried up in this particular

1135
01:01:23,029 --> 01:01:19,910
cemetery where all sorts of strange

1136
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:23,039
paranormal events have taken place now

1137
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:23,670
we

1138
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:25,140
directly say that they related to

1139
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:27,570
Charles Schwartz being buried there but

1140
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:29,970
that might certainly have something to

1141
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:31,500
do with it you know I always say that

1142
01:01:37,070 --> 01:01:34,320
there are no coincidences and boy if

1143
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:37,080
that isn't a synchronicity I don't know

1144
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:39,450
what is also - who was the president

1145
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:42,510
that's buried up there Chester a Arthur

1146
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:49,170
oh he's one of the most famous ones they

1147
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:51,000
say Charles who they yes

1148
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:52,710
no one ever heard of but he was a

1149
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:55,770
president and not a very popular one I

1150
01:01:59,980 --> 01:01:56,400
guess

1151
01:02:07,100 --> 01:01:59,990
well what who at what President is why

1152
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:07,110
was he known for yeah you know famous

1153
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:10,980
people in there we have a secretary

1154
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:14,280
under FDR we I mean it's a you know

1155
01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:18,840
you've seen it it's a massive place kind

1156
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:22,740
of imposing shall we say but yeah that

1157
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:25,140
happened about five years ago now it was

1158
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:29,880
2010 well should I start my story to him

1159
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:34,850
yes yes go ahead by all means I'm Carla

1160
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:39,960
an angel is on the down in Miami he's

1161
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:47,520
the producer and yes well I am in Miami

1162
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:51,780
today keeping cool we got the AC cranked

1163
01:03:03,620 --> 01:02:58,890
in at 65 anyway go ahead Claudia Ted

1164
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:03,630
start at the at the beginning and it was

1165
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:06,210
a strange thing I have a very good

1166
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:08,760
friend it was registered nurse at the

1167
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:12,180
local Veterans Hospital here in Albany

1168
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:14,850
and she is like me we've had a lifelong

1169
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:18,020
interest in anything a little weird and

1170
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:20,340
she's probably the only person I can

1171
01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:22,170
kind of talk to about things that have

1172
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:25,350
happened in my life and vice versa and

1173
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:28,500
one day I got home from work and my

1174
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:31,260
phone rang and it was Linda and she said

1175
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:33,420
are you sitting down and I said yeah why

1176
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,970
have I got a story for you and you have

1177
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:37,500
to understand she's very

1178
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:39,810
she's a very straight-laced person she

1179
01:03:43,070 --> 01:03:42,690
doesn't have a dishonest bone in her

1180
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,080
body

1181
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:45,540
so when she tells me something I pretty

1182
01:03:52,610 --> 01:03:49,110
much believe it she lives across the

1183
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:52,620
street from the albany rural cemetery in

1184
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:54,510
mignons New York which is about maybe

1185
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,020
four miles outside of Albany which is of

1186
01:04:03,200 --> 01:03:59,520
course it's the capital of New York

1187
01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:03,210
State and the cemetery is loaded with

1188
01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:05,190
history and aside from anything

1189
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:08,190
paranormal or anything like that they

1190
01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:11,640
have tours there historical tours it's

1191
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:15,030
it's quite a large place and it's built

1192
01:04:23,090 --> 01:04:19,020
on a hill with many little winding side

1193
01:04:24,740 --> 01:04:23,100
roads gravel gravelly roads and she

1194
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:24,750
decided to go over there after work one

1195
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:26,610
day it was a nice spring day I think it

1196
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:30,930
was May and of course in 2010 and she

1197
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,810
said I went in there and they had no I

1198
01:04:38,090 --> 01:04:35,280
don't know if you're you guys are

1199
01:04:39,620 --> 01:04:38,100
familiar with milkweed but at certain

1200
01:04:53,330 --> 01:04:39,630
times of the year it definitely am

1201
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:53,340
familiar with weed yeah okay kind of

1202
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:56,850
sticks to the windshield or tire it's

1203
01:05:02,060 --> 01:04:59,220
very annoying anyway it was all over the

1204
01:05:05,330 --> 01:05:02,070
cemetery and she had her her wipers

1205
01:05:07,940 --> 01:05:05,340
training you know see and she said well

1206
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:07,950
I I had the feeling I'm gonna turn here

1207
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:10,350
I'm gonna go up this little side road so

1208
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:12,390
she did and she got to the top of the

1209
01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:15,720
hill and kind of pulled over and nobody

1210
01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:18,360
was around her if somebody was coming in

1211
01:05:22,790 --> 01:05:20,340
either direction you would have heard it

1212
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:22,800
because of the gravel roads you know you

1213
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,540
could hear the tires on the gravel and

1214
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:26,940
she had the window open and she says I

1215
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:29,520
pulled over and I put my head down and

1216
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:31,980
took the keys out of the ignition and

1217
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:34,050
she said there was no one around and she

1218
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,790
says a minute I looked in the view

1219
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:38,400
mirror here was this mammoth big black

1220
01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:44,160
military looking SUV vehicle so close to

1221
01:05:47,090 --> 01:05:45,120
the back of her car

1222
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:47,100
it was almost touching the back of it

1223
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:50,190
and she said it had no milkweed on it

1224
01:05:54,190 --> 01:05:51,140
that's the first thing

1225
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:54,200
she noticed it was brand new like it

1226
01:06:02,500 --> 01:05:56,350
just you know pulled out of the showroom

1227
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:02,510
big black tires shiny brand-new and she

1228
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:05,060
said I got the this horrible feeling she

1229
01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:07,010
says I thought somebody was going to rob

1230
01:06:11,980 --> 01:06:08,900
me or you know cut my throat or

1231
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:11,990
something and she she's an Italian girl

1232
01:06:15,490 --> 01:06:13,610
with a temper which is what I love about

1233
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:15,500
her because nobody puts anything over on

1234
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:19,130
her and she said I was very curious and

1235
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:20,810
she said I almost get out the car but I

1236
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:22,580
you know I just wanted to see what this

1237
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:25,850
Joker was going to do so she said I I

1238
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:28,310
put the car and revert or net reverse in

1239
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,220
forward and you know very slowly and I'm

1240
01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:32,960
watching it in the mirror to see if it

1241
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:35,360
would follow and she said it didn't it

1242
01:06:40,770 --> 01:06:38,090
actually backed up and made like a

1243
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:40,780
u-turn and headed over on the other side

1244
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:44,900
toward another little side road and she

1245
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:47,180
said I watched it like disappear you

1246
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,090
know until I saw the top of the car

1247
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:51,680
disappear down the hill and she says I

1248
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:55,160
took took off after it and she said

1249
01:07:00,430 --> 01:06:58,490
imagine what I felt when I got over

1250
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:00,440
where this thing disappeared and there

1251
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:02,840
was no road and only a chain-link fence

1252
01:07:08,290 --> 01:07:05,710
there was no Road she says this thing

1253
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:08,300
disappeared right in front of me so she

1254
01:07:12,690 --> 01:07:10,490
said I that freaked her out so she

1255
01:07:15,220 --> 01:07:12,700
turned around went down the hill and

1256
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:15,230
right as you come in it's a big black

1257
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:18,410
macadam road with its it's just really

1258
01:07:22,690 --> 01:07:20,240
spooky there's this big battle office

1259
01:07:24,370 --> 01:07:22,700
there and the crematorium and the thing

1260
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,380
was sitting right there in front of the

1261
01:07:30,220 --> 01:07:27,500
office big black car and there was a man

1262
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:30,230
all dressed in black standing outside of

1263
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:33,290
the driver's side and just kind of you

1264
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:35,510
know she said I had the feeling they

1265
01:07:39,850 --> 01:07:37,850
were waiting for me and she's like

1266
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:39,860
pulled up very slowly and she says the

1267
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:41,870
guy turned around he was all in black a

1268
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:45,050
black hat like like the gangsters would

1269
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:46,310
wear like in the 40s

1270
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:49,490
that's how she described it black shirt

1271
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:52,550
black pants black shiny she was like

1272
01:07:57,550 --> 01:07:55,490
everything just came out of a Macy's you

1273
01:08:00,190 --> 01:07:57,560
know like it was never worn before and

1274
01:08:02,410 --> 01:08:00,200
the guy just very slowly kind of turned

1275
01:08:05,019 --> 01:08:02,420
around he had dark glasses on and just

1276
01:08:09,279 --> 01:08:05,029
took his glasses off and Gabriel eek

1277
01:08:12,189 --> 01:08:09,289
smile so she you know put the pedal to

1278
01:08:14,019 --> 01:08:12,199
the middle and kind of we try to get

1279
01:08:16,329 --> 01:08:14,029
away from it and she says I immediately

1280
01:08:18,249 --> 01:08:16,339
looked in my view mirror and this guy

1281
01:08:20,589 --> 01:08:18,259
just blinked out he was gone

1282
01:08:23,109 --> 01:08:20,599
the vehicle was there the guy was gone

1283
01:08:25,390 --> 01:08:23,119
and she said there is no way this guy

1284
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:25,400
could have run in the bushes got in the

1285
01:08:28,510 --> 01:08:26,000
car

1286
01:08:30,729 --> 01:08:28,520
the vehicle was there gone the vehicle

1287
01:08:32,620 --> 01:08:30,739
is still there the vehicle was still

1288
01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:32,630
there yeah when she pulled out but the

1289
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:37,190
guy was gone so this wooded my appetite

1290
01:08:43,539 --> 01:08:40,489
I at the time she didn't have a computer

1291
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:43,549
at home so of course I do and I went

1292
01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:45,650
online and I just typed in something

1293
01:08:50,049 --> 01:08:48,109
like hauntings and albany rural cemetery

1294
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:50,059
something like that to see if anybody

1295
01:08:56,970 --> 01:08:53,089
else had reported anything and to my

1296
01:09:00,450 --> 01:08:56,980
amazement not only did they report

1297
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:00,460
incidences but it's quite well known

1298
01:09:08,169 --> 01:09:04,250
that there's a black dog there with red

1299
01:09:09,789 --> 01:09:08,179
eyes but chases people at dusk of course

1300
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:09,799
like Tim said the couple in their

1301
01:09:20,169 --> 01:09:15,020
pajamas there's a pond that people see

1302
01:09:24,010 --> 01:09:20,179
an old funeral procession it's like an

1303
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:24,020
old horse and wagon with people in dark

1304
01:09:28,930 --> 01:09:26,690
mourning clothes following it and if you

1305
01:09:29,859 --> 01:09:28,940
approach them they just kind of fade

1306
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:29,869
into oblivion

1307
01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:34,460
now this there in the carriages like a

1308
01:09:38,740 --> 01:09:36,380
horse in a horse and carriage like with

1309
01:09:41,410 --> 01:09:38,750
the casket oh you know I always thought

1310
01:09:45,069 --> 01:09:41,420
jeez I never thought to ask you I always

1311
01:09:51,849 --> 01:09:45,079
thought that we were talking about the

1312
01:09:54,189 --> 01:09:51,859
dark you know limousine type well that

1313
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:54,199
place must be some sort of a time portal

1314
01:10:00,760 --> 01:09:58,760
that I mean yes and not only that my my

1315
01:10:04,180 --> 01:10:00,770
niece is also very interested in the

1316
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:04,190
subject and I told her about it and she

1317
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:06,860
knew one of the was a young boy who was

1318
01:10:12,879 --> 01:10:09,440
a caretaker or I guess that's what they

1319
01:10:15,339 --> 01:10:12,889
call it and he told Lisa that he opens

1320
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:15,349
up the cemetery at dusk or and then

1321
01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:18,320
closes it at night closes the gate

1322
01:10:22,209 --> 01:10:20,030
and he said I'm there in the morning and

1323
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:22,219
he says a lot of times I have a feeling

1324
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:25,010
somebody's watching me and he said I'll

1325
01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:26,750
turn around and here will be this older

1326
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,219
lady was like oh oh

1327
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:31,280
her hair pulled back like in a bun with

1328
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:33,290
a long dark dress on and she'll just

1329
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:36,530
very sweetly say oh good morning and she

1330
01:10:44,109 --> 01:10:40,300
just vanishes so that's another thing

1331
01:10:45,339 --> 01:10:44,119
and then I just have to tell you can I

1332
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:45,349
just tell you real briefly what happened

1333
01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:47,570
to me after this well of course you're

1334
01:10:55,689 --> 01:10:52,780
the guest all right so I am driving like

1335
01:10:58,689 --> 01:10:55,699
my mother god bless her she passed away

1336
01:11:00,700 --> 01:10:58,699
in May I was living here with her oh yes

1337
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,710
I'm sorry to hear that that's yeah thank

1338
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:03,199
you lady I know she'd been ill for quite

1339
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,610
a while yes yeah so one day I probably

1340
01:11:10,839 --> 01:11:08,960
about three months after that I said

1341
01:11:12,339 --> 01:11:10,849
let's go over to the Del Mar shopping

1342
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:12,349
center which is like a few miles from

1343
01:11:18,129 --> 01:11:16,070
her house and she said okay so I put her

1344
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:18,139
in the back seat and put my dog Stella

1345
01:11:22,089 --> 01:11:20,270
in the front which is always the way we

1346
01:11:24,879 --> 01:11:22,099
rode which is kind of weird but the dog

1347
01:11:28,209 --> 01:11:24,889
was in the front seat and we pulled over

1348
01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:28,219
in front of a dollar store and I had the

1349
01:11:33,879 --> 01:11:30,260
windows down it was you know was in the

1350
01:11:36,850 --> 01:11:33,889
fall but it was pleasant out and I

1351
01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:36,860
looked to my right as I pulled in and he

1352
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:40,760
was this big black SUV to my right and I

1353
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:42,409
joked to my mother I said hey maybe

1354
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,449
that's one of those guys that Linda saw

1355
01:11:50,379 --> 01:11:46,400
because I had told her about the story

1356
01:11:51,939 --> 01:11:50,389
and we kind of laughed and I no longer I

1357
01:11:55,629 --> 01:11:51,949
mean I just got the words out of my

1358
01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:55,639
mouth and out of not out of the car but

1359
01:12:02,169 --> 01:11:58,940
from around the car walk this little man

1360
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:02,179
he was about maybe five feet tall he

1361
01:12:07,390 --> 01:12:04,460
kind of stuck his head halfway and where

1362
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:07,400
my dog was fitting he was all in black

1363
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,110
he had the black hat the black

1364
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,800
sunglasses the brand-new black outfit

1365
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:14,719
three-quarter length sleeves I remember

1366
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,560
that and a black tie and he said mumbled

1367
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:20,480
something but I didn't know what it was

1368
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:23,449
but he had a like a smile and my mother

1369
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,920
goes oh my god what is that you know and

1370
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:29,360
he just did not look right recorder

1371
01:12:33,660 --> 01:12:30,340
length sleeves

1372
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:33,670
yes like a short sleeve shirt okay

1373
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:35,470
almost look you he looked kind of like a

1374
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:38,620
chauffeur but not in white men he was

1375
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:40,690
beer and now he pulled or he walked in

1376
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:43,030
front of our car and he went to walk

1377
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:44,860
away and all of a sudden he just stopped

1378
01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:48,040
dead and kind of spun around took his

1379
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:50,860
eyeglasses down and gave me a look that

1380
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:53,110
was that I have never seen anything like

1381
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:55,690
it in my life it to me it was oh you

1382
01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:58,150
wanted to see one of these guys or did

1383
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:00,280
you wonder if real here I am it was

1384
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:06,310
something like that so that that I don't

1385
01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:08,290
know it could have been a man it could

1386
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:10,420
have been a shopper it could have been I

1387
01:13:14,970 --> 01:13:13,030
don't know what it was but I had the

1388
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:14,980
feeling it wasn't right he was something

1389
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:17,950
not right about him mm-hmm so that's my

1390
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:22,600
own little but you know I to play around

1391
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:23,860
with the Ouija board

1392
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:26,890
years ago with my grandmother and after

1393
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:29,950
that I've had just a number of strange

1394
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:33,610
occurrences and it to this day I could

1395
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:37,810
write a book I'm telling you but I did

1396
01:13:43,190 --> 01:13:39,070
see what I

1397
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:43,200
I pour it was a UFO twice in my life and

1398
01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:46,600
one was in 1972 when my grandmother

1399
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,000
lived here and again we were headed over

1400
01:13:54,660 --> 01:13:51,280
to that shopping center and it was after

1401
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:54,670
night after dark I think it was like a

1402
01:13:59,850 --> 01:13:57,550
January night and we saw the biggest

1403
01:14:01,230 --> 01:13:59,860
what I thought was a harvest moon over

1404
01:14:02,970 --> 01:14:01,240
the Helderberg mountains that I have

1405
01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:02,980
ever seen in my life it actually looked

1406
01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:04,990
like it was almost on the ground it was

1407
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:08,230
mammoth so we pull over we we were like

1408
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:09,940
astounded my grandmother said that

1409
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:12,100
doesn't even look like a it doesn't look

1410
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:13,300
right you know it doesn't look like the

1411
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:15,610
moon so we sent there for maybe five

1412
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:18,900
minutes and then we decided to go on and

1413
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,490
all of a sudden the thing was gone and

1414
01:14:25,230 --> 01:14:23,440
it looks just like a regular moon you

1415
01:14:29,190 --> 01:14:25,240
know like just you know what you would

1416
01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:29,200
see in the sky over the car and all of a

1417
01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:31,000
sudden it was like somebody put on this

1418
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:33,880
big flashlight and went back and forth

1419
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:36,370
on the treetops all around the car where

1420
01:14:40,530 --> 01:14:37,090
we were sitting

1421
01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:40,540
it's done you know okay and so that was

1422
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:43,870
really exciting and when I came home

1423
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:45,490
of course we told my parents about it

1424
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,260
and my mother said oh that was weird

1425
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:49,840
because the other night your father and

1426
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:51,910
I saw we thought it was like flying

1427
01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:55,840
boxcars like over somewhere over this

1428
01:14:59,820 --> 01:14:57,310
shopping center is there something about

1429
01:15:01,920 --> 01:14:59,830
the shopping center and it had Christmas

1430
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:01,930
lights on it and she says it was like it

1431
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:04,960
came low over the shopping center and

1432
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:07,270
then I called the Albany Airport and I

1433
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:09,190
wanted to know if anyone had reported

1434
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,880
anything and they said that no they you

1435
01:15:17,490 --> 01:15:15,040
know nobody has reported anything but

1436
01:15:21,150 --> 01:15:17,500
years later I found out that was quite a

1437
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:21,160
UFO flap that year of 1973 in the Hudson

1438
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:23,770
Valley and there was a book written

1439
01:15:29,190 --> 01:15:26,770
about it called Knights leash by Philip

1440
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:29,200
and brogue no oh yes of course yes yeah

1441
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:31,030
I think we're having the men in black

1442
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:32,830
make noises in the background you hear

1443
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:35,650
that - I do indeed yeah somebody hundred

1444
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:37,810
yeah they have to somebody have their TV

1445
01:15:47,310 --> 01:15:41,020
set on or something lowered or throw it

1446
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:47,320
out the window shoot it with instructor

1447
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:49,570
hey that would be cool that would up the

1448
01:15:54,690 --> 01:15:51,310
rail would be cool yeah

1449
01:15:56,190 --> 01:15:54,700
with Bigfoot holding that sounds like

1450
01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:56,200
the Loch Ness monster action yeah I'm

1451
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:57,160
scared again

1452
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:01,840
Wow well we like think we'd like to

1453
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:04,480
promote being scared here that's where

1454
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:08,710
we unravel when we have secrets that's

1455
01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:11,230
crazy yeah that was that was weird that

1456
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:12,820
almost sounded like was that like a

1457
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:16,150
growl no you're the so he does as I'm

1458
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:16,990
saying it sounds like the Loch Ness

1459
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:20,650
monster haha so are many fans I guess

1460
01:16:26,490 --> 01:16:24,010
even the best monster tunes in which is

1461
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:26,500
good that's right tell us tell us the

1462
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:29,050
other experience you had - okay well at

1463
01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:31,450
the time I was going with a guy by the

1464
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,200
name of Kevin and we were around this

1465
01:16:39,210 --> 01:16:37,120
area it was called the Delmar bypass and

1466
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,220
click a little arterial and it was

1467
01:16:44,010 --> 01:16:41,440
during rush hour and I'm driving the car

1468
01:16:46,740 --> 01:16:44,020
and he's you know riding shotgun with me

1469
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:46,750
and I looked up and here was this thing

1470
01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:49,660
over our car and it looked like you know

1471
01:16:56,490 --> 01:16:54,700
like the old divers helmets like from

1472
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:56,500
the 40s they were made of metal they

1473
01:16:59,520 --> 01:16:57,280
were kind of gray

1474
01:17:03,390 --> 01:16:59,530
they were like a real heavy drivin man

1475
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:03,400
yeah yep that's what it looked like it

1476
01:17:07,799 --> 01:17:06,130
looked like it was a gray color and he

1477
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:07,809
had his head hanging out the window and

1478
01:17:11,549 --> 01:17:09,550
it goes I can't believe it nobody else's

1479
01:17:13,890 --> 01:17:11,559
you know looking at this thing and all

1480
01:17:17,010 --> 01:17:13,900
of a sudden lights went on from under it

1481
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:17,020
and it just went just like that and flew

1482
01:17:21,299 --> 01:17:19,420
over the mountains and that that was

1483
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:21,309
quite close to the car probably about

1484
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:24,610
maybe 50 feet over my car you know

1485
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:25,570
whatever that was

1486
01:17:32,129 --> 01:17:28,690
oh and one last thing I went to Ireland

1487
01:17:36,419 --> 01:17:32,139
about maybe 18 years ago 17 years ago

1488
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:36,429
and I'm taking a little plane up from

1489
01:17:42,839 --> 01:17:40,510
JFK along the Hudson River and we're

1490
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,849
probably well I could see the shoreline

1491
01:17:46,589 --> 01:17:44,320
I could actually see the river so we

1492
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:46,599
weren't up that high and I looked down

1493
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:49,030
and here was this little silver disc

1494
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:51,730
that was like doing flips and you know

1495
01:17:56,819 --> 01:17:54,489
kind of following our plane probably for

1496
01:17:59,129 --> 01:17:56,829
a good 15 minutes and the thing was like

1497
01:18:00,510 --> 01:17:59,139
you know I don't know what it was but it

1498
01:18:02,669 --> 01:18:00,520
looks like just like a little silver

1499
01:18:07,260 --> 01:18:02,679
disc and it was just okay we're having

1500
01:18:09,029 --> 01:18:07,270
like a war the world I hear is I think

1501
01:18:11,339 --> 01:18:09,039
it sounds like it sounds like the dogs

1502
01:18:14,549 --> 01:18:11,349
it must be the demon dogs that could be

1503
01:18:16,979 --> 01:18:14,559
I yeah it sounds really scary on this

1504
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:16,989
end I don't know that's very scary I had

1505
01:18:20,339 --> 01:18:19,150
lights off in my uh you know my spidey

1506
01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:20,349
senses are tingling

1507
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:23,380
wow I know it's not my drugs fella cuz

1508
01:18:27,109 --> 01:18:23,980
she's asleep

1509
01:18:29,729 --> 01:18:27,119
so I can't sleep in it it's a good sign

1510
01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:29,739
so it's not me it's not Tim it's not

1511
01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:39,820
Carla I don't what's going on the

1512
01:18:52,379 --> 01:18:41,260
background though mr. sands is one on

1513
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:52,389
the back five five people in three MIB

1514
01:19:03,450 --> 01:18:55,090
on the line you're bound to get a little

1515
01:19:05,729 --> 01:19:03,460
bit of feedback from somewhere do you

1516
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:05,739
think the men in black experience was

1517
01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:08,710
was did you had you just started talking

1518
01:19:14,460 --> 01:19:11,110
about the sightings or anything

1519
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:14,470
I'll tell you what you know I I had read

1520
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:16,090
Kim's book there they are going back

1521
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:17,170
there they are again

1522
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:21,730
oh it's got to be a real dogfight go

1523
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:24,550
mister saying mr. sand uh are you okay

1524
01:19:37,860 --> 01:19:32,950
there I did have some bad food for

1525
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:37,870
dinner maybe it's your stomach growling

1526
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:40,270
yeah could be

1527
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:43,890
but anyway no I I had read Tim's book

1528
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:47,290
the men in black you know years ago and

1529
01:19:52,020 --> 01:19:50,050
that's why I contacted him you know when

1530
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:52,030
this thing happened to my my girlfriend

1531
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:53,530
and that you know that's how I got

1532
01:19:58,230 --> 01:19:56,560
involved with this but I had one really

1533
01:20:00,780 --> 01:19:58,240
strange thing happened of course my

1534
01:20:03,630 --> 01:20:00,790
whole life has been strange and if you

1535
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:03,640
have five more minutes and then I this

1536
01:20:08,610 --> 01:20:05,410
is this is I I would like your opinion

1537
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:08,620
on it actually maybe you guys can help

1538
01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:12,070
me along with this but this I I swear to

1539
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:15,190
heaven this actually happened might like

1540
01:20:20,220 --> 01:20:17,320
Tim know I mentioned my mother has been

1541
01:20:22,830 --> 01:20:20,230
ill for quite a while and a couple years

1542
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:22,840
ago she actually broke her back she fell

1543
01:20:29,090 --> 01:20:25,420
and broke her back and she went to rehab

1544
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:29,100
and a place called the Good Samaritan

1545
01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:32,650
Rehabilitation Center over here and she

1546
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:34,720
was in there maybe three months and when

1547
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:36,910
she was in there she wanted to get her

1548
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:38,980
hair done they would come up and get her

1549
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:41,050
once a week and you know big brush her

1550
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:42,490
hair and then bring her back to her bed

1551
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:45,880
and I had to pay twenty dollars a week

1552
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:51,040
for that service yeah you know I lost

1553
01:21:02,100 --> 01:20:59,340
yeah no no no they're just they would

1554
01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:02,110
say one blanket so I said I look like

1555
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:04,780
it's growling well I've had that

1556
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:06,310
experience a few times

1557
01:21:11,790 --> 01:21:09,370
gee okay so what happened so what

1558
01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:11,800
happened with your mom at the site yeah

1559
01:21:16,530 --> 01:21:14,020
well anyway she should get her hair done

1560
01:21:18,810 --> 01:21:16,540
every month or I'm sorry every week and

1561
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,820
I would pay $20 at the desk you know for

1562
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:20,560
them to do that and they would give me a

1563
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:23,440
pink receipt and I would give it to her

1564
01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:24,970
and then when they came to

1565
01:21:29,580 --> 01:21:26,680
her down to where sure hair she would

1566
01:21:31,770 --> 01:21:29,590
give the receipt to the age okay and

1567
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:31,780
never came home with us never you know I

1568
01:21:36,150 --> 01:21:34,330
I didn't even think about the receipt so

1569
01:21:39,150 --> 01:21:36,160
anyway she came home from the hospital

1570
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:39,160
and about a month after I got a new car

1571
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:41,260
and I think she was only in my car a

1572
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:42,730
couple of times before she got really

1573
01:21:50,730 --> 01:21:49,180
sick and anyway I keep my car immaculate

1574
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:50,740
and there is nothing in that car I'm

1575
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,140
always you know picking up the you know

1576
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:55,120
going under the seats and I mean there

1577
01:22:01,050 --> 01:21:57,690
was just nothing in that car at all and

1578
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:01,060
three months after she passed away I was

1579
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:02,680
out to dinner with a friend of mine and

1580
01:22:08,490 --> 01:22:06,310
I stopped for gas and I get out the car

1581
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:08,500
and when I opened up the car door to get

1582
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:11,250
back in I saw this pink slip the paper

1583
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:14,530
all rolled up on the floor of the car

1584
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:17,650
and I unraveled it and it said Good

1585
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:20,650
Samaritan Hospital received $20 from

1586
01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:23,140
daughter for Helen Phillips my mother

1587
01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:26,200
now what do you make of that there is no

1588
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:28,420
explanation for that other than

1589
01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:31,210
something paranormal well I tell you

1590
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:33,400
there's a whole list of synchronicities

1591
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:35,950
in my life I mean stuff that just goes

1592
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:39,130
beyond the the pale I mean you know like

1593
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:40,330
some of these things they seem

1594
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:44,260
inconsequential but yet they're they

1595
01:22:47,370 --> 01:22:45,610
have to be linked to something I I

1596
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:47,380
believe now that there is an

1597
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:49,450
intelligence behind this phenomena that

1598
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:52,030
shows itself in ways that we would find

1599
01:22:59,880 --> 01:22:56,530
very peculiar like you know where we're

1600
01:23:02,220 --> 01:22:59,890
spending or SETI is spending you know

1601
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:02,230
thousands of dollars to tune in to the

1602
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:04,330
to the universe to try to get signals

1603
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:06,910
from you know light-years away well

1604
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,490
these signals even if they exist first

1605
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:11,440
of all unless they're tuned into our

1606
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:12,850
show they're probably not listening to

1607
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,750
radio signals anyway and you know yeah

1608
01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:18,880
that's right they were never gonna break

1609
01:23:24,740 --> 01:23:22,900
through okay all right and then we'll

1610
01:23:29,790 --> 01:23:24,750
hear we'll listen to the universe

1611
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:29,800
yes all right well I think it's out yes

1612
01:23:34,820 --> 01:23:31,510
indeed alright well we'll be back in a

1613
01:23:35,959 --> 01:23:34,830
few minutes with some more MIB

1614
01:23:40,270 --> 01:23:35,969
discussion

1615
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:40,280
and I'm going to put forth my revelation

1616
01:23:48,859 --> 01:23:44,070
as to what the men in black are and how

1617
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:52,520
and we are going to unravel some more

1618
01:23:59,930 --> 01:23:56,510
secrets here on the air with our co-host

1619
01:24:03,050 --> 01:23:59,940
Carla Anderson and down in Miami we have

1620
01:24:05,959 --> 01:24:03,060
the jackal and also down in Miami we

1621
01:24:11,089 --> 01:24:05,969
have Johnny sands and we we could hear

1622
01:24:14,689 --> 01:24:11,099
that the demons are after him and up in

1623
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:14,699
frozen Albany where the code that the

1624
01:24:20,839 --> 01:24:16,830
the ghosts are eating even hiding these

1625
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:20,849
days is Claudia Cunningham the m.i.b

1626
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:23,130
lady anyway you know I wanted to get

1627
01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:24,810
everybody's opinion what do you think

1628
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:27,960
these MIB are I mean I I've come to

1629
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:30,780
certain conclusions but you guys have

1630
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,090
had experiences and I've had experiences

1631
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:35,280
but yours are more direct actually than

1632
01:24:37,729 --> 01:24:35,790
mine

1633
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:37,739
well let's start out with you Johnny

1634
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:39,090
what do you think these these

1635
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,530
individuals are I mean hello look let me

1636
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:45,840
let me be real honest with you can I

1637
01:24:50,780 --> 01:24:47,730
know there's people out there that like

1638
01:24:53,839 --> 01:24:50,790
I said skeptic and I would have totally

1639
01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:53,849
been too if I had all this experience in

1640
01:25:00,260 --> 01:24:56,940
all ways many days I don't know of a lot

1641
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:00,270
of these countless of these men in black

1642
01:25:07,459 --> 01:25:04,530
were that much accepted time with a

1643
01:25:13,459 --> 01:25:07,469
person and I didn't know what they were

1644
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:13,469
at the time I talked to Lorenzo Dan Dan

1645
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:16,739
in Tucson Arizona with Errol phenomenal

1646
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:19,610
Research Center and he kept informing me

1647
01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:23,130
these are what we consider men in black

1648
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:26,070
you given the whole description and in

1649
01:25:31,959 --> 01:25:28,409
fact I did artist renditions about him

1650
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:31,969
when I was with you out in in the

1651
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:38,639
Arizona area on us and you know I wanted

1652
01:25:42,649 --> 01:25:40,920
to try to put it all fall it's the

1653
01:25:44,689 --> 01:25:42,659
government but why would the government

1654
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:44,699
waste all of that time and the

1655
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:47,580
government King I know the quick and I

1656
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:50,639
know this week but hey you can't just

1657
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:54,380
make cars disappear people disappear

1658
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:56,820
apartments disappear a furniture

1659
01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:01,679
disappear and you Kate you just this

1660
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:02,230
face

1661
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:06,070
just don't happen in this world we got

1662
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:09,370
today I mean oh we don't have that kind

1663
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:11,410
of technology to move something I think

1664
01:26:17,729 --> 01:26:15,550
we it was a check for the apartment to

1665
01:26:21,570 --> 01:26:17,739
be cleared out it would have took one of

1666
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:21,580
those Mayflower moving tractor-trailer

1667
01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:24,580
vans to get it out and somebody would

1668
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:26,590
had to see it and it would have been

1669
01:26:32,430 --> 01:26:29,500
more than a couple hours to get all the

1670
01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:32,440
stuff out of that but all of its go so

1671
01:26:37,740 --> 01:26:34,720
you know the stuff this has happened on

1672
01:26:42,060 --> 01:26:37,750
on several occasions now even going back

1673
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:42,070
to 1947 the famous Maury Island incident

1674
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:47,710
where this hot metal molten metal fell

1675
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:51,790
onto a boat and injured a number of

1676
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:54,430
people and I think killed the dog and it

1677
01:26:59,010 --> 01:26:56,110
was collected the samples were collected

1678
01:27:01,410 --> 01:26:59,020
and sent to the air force and the plane

1679
01:27:03,150 --> 01:27:01,420
crashed at the air force personnel we're

1680
01:27:06,690 --> 01:27:03,160
on on the way back to wright-patterson

1681
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:06,700
Air Force Base there was an incident

1682
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:10,960
where oh one of the investigators I

1683
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:12,370
think it was actually kind of could have

1684
01:27:16,710 --> 01:27:13,510
been Kenneth Arnold there's somebody

1685
01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:16,720
else who was involved in this had gone

1686
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,760
to the house of one of the witnesses or

1687
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:20,800
those that were involved in this this

1688
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:23,620
case and when they went back a day or

1689
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:26,950
two later the house was vacated and it

1690
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:29,350
had cobwebs in it and he knew it was the

1691
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:31,030
right place and you know he didn't go to

1692
01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:33,190
the wrong address and the same thing so

1693
01:27:43,050 --> 01:27:36,040
it would seem that that these people

1694
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:43,060
have a certain means to create holograms

1695
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:45,610
or hallucinations or have some

1696
01:27:52,979 --> 01:27:50,410
individual mind control over people that

1697
01:27:54,630 --> 01:27:52,989
you know you may be actually seeing you

1698
01:27:56,850 --> 01:27:54,640
may be thinking that you're seeing a

1699
01:27:58,620 --> 01:27:56,860
particular scene or involved in a

1700
01:28:00,720 --> 01:27:58,630
particular incident and you're really

1701
01:28:02,430 --> 01:28:00,730
not you could be sitting somewhere in a

1702
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:02,440
you know in a darkened room and a

1703
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:03,280
basement somewhere

1704
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:05,530
Claudia what do you think about this

1705
01:28:13,380 --> 01:28:11,350
well you know I am of the mind that I'm

1706
01:28:15,780 --> 01:28:13,390
you know the principalities and powers

1707
01:28:19,290 --> 01:28:15,790
that are

1708
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,300
spoken of in the Bible okay you have

1709
01:28:23,940 --> 01:28:21,040
your good you have your evil it's the

1710
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:23,950
old good versus evil and that's what

1711
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:25,330
you're we're seeing played out now I

1712
01:28:31,410 --> 01:28:28,390
think more than ever before everything

1713
01:28:33,690 --> 01:28:31,420
is about the paranormal now you know

1714
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:33,700
kids dress up like zombies they're into

1715
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:35,650
black magic and I think all this stuff

1716
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:39,310
has conjured up some really bad stuff I

1717
01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:42,460
think the men in black or whatever you

1718
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:45,790
want to call them possibly are the Djinn

1719
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:49,930
and I know you know about that and the

1720
01:28:55,290 --> 01:28:52,270
Djinn are mentioned in the Quran

1721
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:55,300
actually and they're spirits made of a

1722
01:29:01,560 --> 01:28:57,760
smokeless fire and they're pranksters

1723
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:01,570
they can appear as anything as a black

1724
01:29:09,450 --> 01:29:07,060
dog as a UFO alien as your dead uncle

1725
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:09,460
Charlie they can appear as anything and

1726
01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:14,050
they lead people into dark areas and and

1727
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:18,100
to confuse us and I believe the UFOs

1728
01:29:24,020 --> 01:29:20,410
themselves are of a paranormal

1729
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:24,030
construction that's just my take on it

1730
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:27,030
you know they do disappear they can

1731
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:30,510
well they do things that are paranormal

1732
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:34,090
they're not just you know machinery I

1733
01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:35,920
don't think I don't know if there are

1734
01:29:41,070 --> 01:29:37,990
such things as aliens I don't know I

1735
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:41,080
think there a lot of them are fallen

1736
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:44,320
angels I really and truly do and I've

1737
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:47,110
seen enough in my life and enough bad

1738
01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:50,110
things to know that there's something at

1739
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:51,100
work in this world

1740
01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:53,650
I think it was made a good place it was

1741
01:29:59,940 --> 01:29:56,140
made perfect we were supposed to be very

1742
01:30:01,560 --> 01:29:59,950
happy and none of no wars and no hatred

1743
01:30:04,230 --> 01:30:01,570
and you know I'm an old hippie so I

1744
01:30:05,850 --> 01:30:04,240
believe in all the good stuff but

1745
01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:05,860
something terrible must have happened

1746
01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:09,460
somewhere in the heavens to create this

1747
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:12,760
this war and I think it's ongoing and I

1748
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:14,650
think we'll see a lot more of it but

1749
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,570
yeah definitely uh Johnny yeah well you

1750
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:21,760
get a paranormal feeling about that the

1751
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,250
aliens you saw up at the humanoids look

1752
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:26,320
here's the thing that I really add the

1753
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:29,409
bottom line of these were men and black

1754
01:30:34,649 --> 01:30:32,800
these men in black seem to have I mean

1755
01:30:38,899 --> 01:30:34,659
with the time that we sniff little and

1756
01:30:42,029 --> 01:30:38,909
with other people present seem to be

1757
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:42,039
reinvestigating the fact of what I was

1758
01:30:50,759 --> 01:30:46,510
saying to be the truth I think that

1759
01:30:53,609 --> 01:30:50,769
first I don't know why they come I think

1760
01:30:56,489 --> 01:30:53,619
maybe they thought did he see somebody

1761
01:30:59,399 --> 01:30:56,499
was he really hurt did he do this let's

1762
01:31:03,359 --> 01:30:59,409
check it out they were almost like if

1763
01:31:06,569 --> 01:31:03,369
the I agents with me but a little weird

1764
01:31:08,370 --> 01:31:06,579
and and they were like investigating and

1765
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:08,380
I think when they were satisfied with

1766
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:11,199
what I told and what I had said and what

1767
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:15,010
I done was absolutely the truth that's

1768
01:31:21,659 --> 01:31:18,400
when they disappeared on me I don't know

1769
01:31:23,429 --> 01:31:21,669
why you don't know you know like the

1770
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:23,439
movie men in black they're always

1771
01:31:28,290 --> 01:31:26,110
investigating about other aliens you

1772
01:31:29,850 --> 01:31:28,300
know so I mean I mean the this I mean

1773
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:29,860
I'm just sitting here just listening but

1774
01:31:34,379 --> 01:31:31,510
there's a couple ways to look at it

1775
01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:34,389
maybe they maybe they follow up UFOs

1776
01:31:38,189 --> 01:31:36,729
because maybe they're on a different

1777
01:31:40,319 --> 01:31:38,199
team and they're trying to get

1778
01:31:45,299 --> 01:31:40,329
information about what somebody saw is

1779
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:45,309
for their database I I will either that

1780
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,489
or there was a ship that was out there

1781
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:50,800
was not supposed to make any kind of

1782
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:54,570
contact they did and they didn't make an

1783
01:32:00,540 --> 01:31:57,760
announcement to whoever else they should

1784
01:32:03,569 --> 01:32:00,550
have made it to and this men in black

1785
01:32:06,750 --> 01:32:03,579
were there to find out did that happen

1786
01:32:08,219 --> 01:32:06,760
we want to I just don't really think

1787
01:32:09,419 --> 01:32:08,229
that you saw that much one that when you

1788
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:09,429
said the guy was pointing at you in the

1789
01:32:12,449 --> 01:32:11,110
road saying he saw too much you know we

1790
01:32:14,850 --> 01:32:12,459
have felt threatened and a little hairy

1791
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:14,860
guy ran up I'm saying yeah you you

1792
01:32:19,739 --> 01:32:17,050
really you don't really know anything so

1793
01:32:22,379 --> 01:32:19,749
so why harass you like that and well you

1794
01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:22,389
know I think in some cases they actually

1795
01:32:28,409 --> 01:32:26,409
try to draw attention to a case I mean

1796
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:28,419
there have been without Johnny's cases

1797
01:32:31,259 --> 01:32:29,650
very interesting his side to get

1798
01:32:32,759 --> 01:32:31,269
everything involves and humanoids and

1799
01:32:35,029 --> 01:32:32,769
what have you but there are a lot of

1800
01:32:37,140 --> 01:32:35,039
what I would call just minor UFO

1801
01:32:39,569 --> 01:32:37,150
incidents not close encounters or

1802
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:39,579
anything and the men appear on the scene

1803
01:32:43,050 --> 01:32:42,159
and all of a sudden the case is getting

1804
01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:43,060
a lot more at

1805
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:46,270
tension than it normally would or even

1806
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:47,470
that it deserves

1807
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:48,910
you know the men in black are like

1808
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:51,610
everything else here in the UFO mystery

1809
01:32:58,850 --> 01:32:54,850
there's so many shades of black that it

1810
01:33:00,650 --> 01:32:58,860
and so many there are some of these

1811
01:33:02,970 --> 01:33:00,660
individuals who appeared to be

1812
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:02,980
government agents maybe working I

1813
01:33:08,190 --> 01:33:05,110
wouldn't say the FBI well even the FBI

1814
01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:08,200
you know the FBI during the early 1950s

1815
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:12,280
sent out investigators to question some

1816
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:14,620
of the early contactees they through who

1817
01:33:19,890 --> 01:33:16,570
they thought might be communists because

1818
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:19,900
they talked about you know not having a

1819
01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:22,570
money system on some other planet these

1820
01:33:27,060 --> 01:33:24,460
beings coming here claiming that they

1821
01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:27,070
lived in a utopian society so all of a

1822
01:33:33,630 --> 01:33:30,940
sudden these contactees were communists

1823
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,640
in the the eyes of the FBI now I've got

1824
01:33:37,950 --> 01:33:35,440
a I've got a theory and this is what

1825
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:37,960
I've can conclude it I believe that the

1826
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:40,570
men in black are earth people that they

1827
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:42,850
are not extraterrestrial but they are

1828
01:33:47,870 --> 01:33:45,520
earth people whose minds have been taken

1829
01:33:50,340 --> 01:33:47,880
over they are actually being mentally

1830
01:33:55,020 --> 01:33:50,350
manipulated by whatever intelligence

1831
01:33:57,210 --> 01:33:55,030
there is behind the the UFOs because

1832
01:33:59,490 --> 01:33:57,220
whatever intelligence is behind the UFOs

1833
01:34:01,800 --> 01:33:59,500
they cannot show themselves proper they

1834
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:01,810
have to either send somebody out to

1835
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,410
shape-shift or they have to send an

1836
01:34:08,910 --> 01:34:06,880
individual dressed in well these

1837
01:34:11,970 --> 01:34:08,920
individuals that do these things are

1838
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:11,980
trying to silence like witnesses

1839
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:15,130
I believe that five minutes after they

1840
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:17,970
walk away from the scene their minds are

1841
01:34:23,190 --> 01:34:20,320
rate their memories were erased and they

1842
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:23,200
have no no memory of having actually

1843
01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:25,330
even approached anybody they go about

1844
01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:27,880
their their regular lives now I would

1845
01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:30,790
say that in a great degree most of these

1846
01:34:36,540 --> 01:34:34,540
people seem to be very simplistic a lot

1847
01:34:39,210 --> 01:34:36,550
of them are loners you know I've even

1848
01:34:40,260 --> 01:34:39,220
been threatened by people who would call

1849
01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:40,270
me in the middle of the night and

1850
01:34:44,970 --> 01:34:41,980
threaten to come over and slice my

1851
01:34:47,580 --> 01:34:44,980
throat I've had the people individuals

1852
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:47,590
who would stalk my former residence

1853
01:34:51,090 --> 01:34:49,810
where members of my family were still

1854
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:51,100
living thinking that I was still there

1855
01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:52,530
because I use it as a mailing address

1856
01:34:57,090 --> 01:34:55,300
who would walk around mumbling to

1857
01:35:00,420 --> 01:34:57,100
themselves and walking back and forth

1858
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:00,430
on the perimeter of the property with a

1859
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:02,770
baseball bat and wearing a hoodie to the

1860
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:04,330
police showed up in fact one of these

1861
01:35:09,780 --> 01:35:06,580
incidents was actually in the in the

1862
01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:09,790
newspaper in my hometown now they didn't

1863
01:35:12,630 --> 01:35:11,140
make a big deal out of it they just

1864
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:12,640
picked up somebody they said it was

1865
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:14,920
mentally you know a deranged or

1866
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:16,510
something but I think there was a lot

1867
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:18,960
more to it I mean why would somebody

1868
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:21,850
show up at midnight or 1 o'clock in the

1869
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:24,910
morning dressed in and very nefarious

1870
01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:28,090
looking you know a clothing and and and

1871
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:31,030
tried to demolish the wall around the

1872
01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:33,940
the property where my you know family

1873
01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:36,160
was living I mean they must have thought

1874
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:37,780
that I was inside and of course then we

1875
01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:41,410
had an occasional break-in where where

1876
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:43,030
somebody would be trying to come in

1877
01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:45,310
through the screen of the back door even

1878
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:48,040
broke the glass and when confronted they

1879
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:50,760
said they were just trying to buy a book

1880
01:36:00,660 --> 01:35:56,970
mm-hmm have you ever encountered

1881
01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:00,670
anything like a man in black yourself I

1882
01:36:05,310 --> 01:36:02,500
mean I know you took the picture that

1883
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:05,320
was yes man with those weird well like I

1884
01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:08,410
say the the telephone calls the

1885
01:36:11,670 --> 01:36:09,910
threatening telephone calls some of

1886
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,680
which were in the middle of the night

1887
01:36:16,230 --> 01:36:14,080
in fact I finally got the phone number

1888
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:16,240
of a family member for this one

1889
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:18,010
individual he was not just threatening

1890
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:21,040
me he was threatening the mayor he was

1891
01:36:25,710 --> 01:36:22,840
threatening he was threatening some

1892
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:25,720
female disc jockey at wne w which used

1893
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:29,530
to be the classic rock station and and

1894
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:32,050
finally I called the the the phone

1895
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:34,150
company and they told me well the phone

1896
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:37,180
calls are coming from Grand Central

1897
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:40,330
Station which of course is just to a

1898
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:41,680
homeless people you know all you know

1899
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:43,540
hang out there there but I did get a

1900
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:46,000
phone number and I called it and this

1901
01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:50,650
woman answered down in Miami and and you

1902
01:36:55,620 --> 01:36:52,840
know I said I believe it's your son

1903
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:55,630
that's calling threatening me and she

1904
01:37:00,990 --> 01:36:58,090
said oh he must be off his medication

1905
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:01,000
and she said but he really knows what

1906
01:37:08,850 --> 01:37:06,280
Miami he must be off his medication but

1907
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:08,860
he's never really harmed anybody except

1908
01:37:10,860 --> 01:37:10,390
for the time that he took a knife to his

1909
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:10,870
brother

1910
01:37:16,230 --> 01:37:14,770
throat okay so that you know I mean that

1911
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:16,240
that's close and personal that's why I

1912
01:37:23,370 --> 01:37:18,760
don't give out my address not even to my

1913
01:37:29,070 --> 01:37:23,380
best friends some of those some of those

1914
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:29,080
are the most dangerous okay could I ask

1915
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:31,810
her one question here I'd like to ask

1916
01:37:37,890 --> 01:37:35,410
Carla and Angel and Cris Johnny answered

1917
01:37:40,170 --> 01:37:37,900
what what do they feel that the men in

1918
01:37:44,700 --> 01:37:40,180
black are comprised of what is their

1919
01:37:48,450 --> 01:37:44,710
take on it like I said I'm not I'm not

1920
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:48,460
sure why they're going over his

1921
01:37:55,250 --> 01:37:51,490
testimony you know over and over it

1922
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,260
again unless unless they're trying to

1923
01:38:00,780 --> 01:37:58,000
talk about of it but it sounds like

1924
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:00,790
they're just going over it the facts

1925
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:05,050
over and over again you know um and like

1926
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:06,610
I said are they even on the same team

1927
01:38:13,170 --> 01:38:09,730
like a like I don't know if I don't I

1928
01:38:18,350 --> 01:38:13,180
don't know if you know like I said that

1929
01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:21,600
just the thought that that what if they

1930
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:23,800
just need to know what you saw because

1931
01:38:29,340 --> 01:38:26,260
they found out that you saw something

1932
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:29,350
for some reason you know they're yeah

1933
01:38:33,660 --> 01:38:31,210
she finger you and they want to know

1934
01:38:34,860 --> 01:38:33,670
what you saw in detail and they want to

1935
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:34,870
make sure that's what you saw because

1936
01:38:39,060 --> 01:38:36,880
they're keeping their own records you

1937
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:39,070
know I don't know maybe maybe maybe the

1938
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,490
the movie isn't is crazy and you know

1939
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:45,760
it's obviously presented sort of as a is

1940
01:38:51,900 --> 01:38:49,840
a humorous you know film yeah but maybe

1941
01:38:54,690 --> 01:38:51,910
maybe they really know something yeah

1942
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,700
yeah and and like a lot of fiction you

1943
01:39:01,740 --> 01:38:57,040
don't want to present it as a

1944
01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:01,750
documentary or the truth you know you've

1945
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:04,780
got a lot of you gotta kind of gloss it

1946
01:39:09,930 --> 01:39:07,780
over so you have Will Smith you know

1947
01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:09,940
what being in the movie or something

1948
01:39:14,970 --> 01:39:12,670
like that well I'm really I'm fascinated

1949
01:39:17,820 --> 01:39:14,980
that you know all the time you know when

1950
01:39:19,770 --> 01:39:17,830
people start you know going from the

1951
01:39:22,980 --> 01:39:19,780
alien thing to the paranormal thing and

1952
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:22,990
then to the Djinn thing so so again

1953
01:39:27,210 --> 01:39:24,340
Johnny did you get

1954
01:39:29,610 --> 01:39:27,220
kind of a fallen angel kind of feeling

1955
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:29,620
from these human only the background

1956
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:34,150
metal making that noise well I don't

1957
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:36,670
quite understand them all but I do know

1958
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:39,370
this they were they were counting at

1959
01:39:45,060 --> 01:39:41,890
times they were very uh I don't know

1960
01:39:47,190 --> 01:39:45,070
pushy in trying to get answers it was

1961
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:47,200
almost like you were being interrogated

1962
01:39:52,290 --> 01:39:50,350
in the police department and then there

1963
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:52,300
would be nice and then when every kid

1964
01:39:56,430 --> 01:39:53,890
when they got back in the car of the

1965
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:56,440
night in the desert big argument they

1966
01:40:02,850 --> 01:39:59,170
would not even speak from the time we

1967
01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:02,860
left all the way back to the motel which

1968
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:06,040
was almost 20 some miles they never

1969
01:40:11,370 --> 01:40:08,770
spoke one time to us except when we got

1970
01:40:15,210 --> 01:40:11,380
there they opened do or say good night I

1971
01:40:17,700 --> 01:40:15,220
got out and they were gone and me and

1972
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:17,710
John couldn't sleep I mean we said what

1973
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:20,110
the hell's going on here I mean do you

1974
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:21,970
think that do you think you're more

1975
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,650
affected by the venom black experience

1976
01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:25,440
than by the actual

1977
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:28,450
spaceship coming down with the humanoids

1978
01:40:35,970 --> 01:40:32,050
yeah yes I am because it wasn't like I

1979
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:35,980
said the action spaceship was on January

1980
01:40:42,690 --> 01:40:38,370
29th 1976

1981
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:42,700
can they welfare words attend which is

1982
01:40:50,700 --> 01:40:48,190
11 days later soil day we were still

1983
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:50,710
having this relationship for these

1984
01:40:58,530 --> 01:40:53,440
meeting back from the hotel to their

1985
01:41:00,240 --> 01:40:58,540
farmers about always Becca I think

1986
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:00,250
they're knocking on the door I hear them

1987
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:04,060
now so we better we all better run for

1988
01:41:11,730 --> 01:41:08,110
cover but one last word before we fade

1989
01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:11,740
out here Johnny any way that the people

1990
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:14,440
can get in touch with you or do you have

1991
01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:25,530
Facebook Johnny sands of course and then

1992
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:30,760
I have you can get in touch with me on

1993
01:41:38,370 --> 01:41:36,060
the email of keyed up your fans he and

1994
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:38,380
GW sales team

1995
01:41:46,020 --> 01:41:42,970
like chemistry at gmail.com and and

1996
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:46,030
Claudia do you have way that any way

1997
01:41:50,670 --> 01:41:47,470
that people can get in touch with you or

1998
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:50,680
do you would you rather remain a not a

1999
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:54,550
semi anonymous as the MIB lady for now I

2000
01:42:02,430 --> 01:41:58,800
think so yeah granny take oh yes yeah

2001
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:02,440
well I'll be incognito for a while all

2002
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:05,110
right well as soon as the weather clears

2003
01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:07,360
and the temperature goes up to at least

2004
01:42:14,210 --> 01:42:10,990
55 degrees I will be taking a train ride

2005
01:42:15,450 --> 01:42:14,220
up to Albany and see what's going on and

2006
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:15,460
Karla

2007
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:17,170
how about you what's going on what's

2008
01:42:22,140 --> 01:42:18,910
going on over in Jersey City that we

2009
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:22,150
should know about well what's going on

2010
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:23,920
in Jersey City I'm having I'm having

2011
01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:26,890
another opening this weekend for my for

2012
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:29,020
an art form a art gallery Human Wreckage

2013
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:31,810
and in there said tomorrow all right I'm

2014
01:42:37,710 --> 01:42:34,630
coming up on March 6 coming up on March

2015
01:42:41,850 --> 01:42:37,720
6 from 8 to 11 and that's about it right

2016
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:41,860
now okay squeaky right now they can they

2017
01:42:53,670 --> 01:42:50,410
can find you on the Facebook calm the

2018
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:53,680
last word from you down in Miami have a

2019
01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:56,410
wonderful night everybody and I sec I

2020
01:43:00,810 --> 01:42:57,070
second that

2021
01:43:04,170 --> 01:43:00,820
and remember we'll be back here same

2022
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:04,180
time same guest unraveling the secrets

2023
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:07,450
and we've unraveled quite a few for you

2024
01:43:18,930 --> 01:43:10,960
tonight and we will continue to do so or

2025
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:18,940
I am NOT mister you f oh this he'll